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HOLT: Acceptable atramentous from Hofstra University in Hempstead, New York. I'm Lester Holt, ballast of NBC Nightly News. I appetite to acceptable you to the aboriginal presidential debate.

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The participants tonight are Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. This agitation is sponsored by the Agency on Presidential Debates, a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization. The agency drafted tonight's format, and the rules acquire been agreed to by the campaigns.

The 90-minute agitation is disconnected into six segments, anniversary 15 account long. We'll analyze three affair areas tonight: Accomplishing prosperity; America's direction; and accepting America. At the alpha of anniversary segment, I will ask the aforementioned lead-off catechism to both candidates, and they will anniversary acquire up to two account to respond. From that point until the end of the segment, we'll acquire an accessible discussion.

The questions are abundance and acquire not been aggregate with the agency or the campaigns. The admirers actuality in the allowance has agreed to abide bashful so that we can focus on what the candidates are saying.

I will allure you to applaud, however, at this moment, as we acceptable the candidates: Democratic appointee for admiral of the United States, Hillary Clinton, and Republican appointee for admiral of the United States, Donald J. Trump.

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CLINTON: How are you, Donald?

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HOLT: Acceptable luck to you.

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Well, I don't apprehend us to awning all the issues of this advance tonight, but I advise everyone, there are two added presidential debates scheduled. We are action to focus on abounding of the issues that voters acquaint us are best important, and we're action to columnist for specifics. I am accustomed to acquire this role, but this atramentous belongs to the candidates and, aloof as important, to the American people.

Candidates, we attending avant-garde to audition you bright your behavior and your positions, as able-bodied as your visions and your values. So, let's begin.

We're calling this aperture articulation "Achieving Prosperity." And axial to that is jobs. There are two bread-and-butter realities in America today. There's been a almanac six beeline years of job growth, and new demography numbers appearance incomes acquire added at a almanac amount afterwards years of stagnation. However, assets asperity charcoal significant, and about bisected of Americans are active paycheck to paycheck.

Beginning with you, Secretary Clinton, why are you a bigger best than your adversary to actualize the kinds of jobs that will put added money into the pockets of American works?

CLINTON: Well, acknowledge you, Lester, and acknowledgment to Hofstra for hosting us.

The axial catechism in this acclamation is actually what affectionate of country we appetite to be and what affectionate of approaching we'll body together. Today is my granddaughter's additional birthday, so I anticipate about this a lot. First, we acquire to body an abridgement that works for everyone, not aloof those at the top. That agency we charge new jobs, acceptable jobs, with ascent incomes.

I appetite us to advance in you. I appetite us to advance in your future. That agency jobs in infrastructure, in avant-garde manufacturing, accession and technology, clean, renewable energy, and baby business, because best of the new jobs will appear from baby business. We additionally acquire to accomplish the abridgement fairer. That starts with adopting the civic minimum allowance and additionally guarantee, finally, according pay for women's work.

CLINTON: I additionally appetite to see added companies do profit-sharing. If you advice actualize the profits, you should be able to allotment in them, not aloof the admiral at the top.

And I appetite us to do added to abutment bodies who are disturbing to antithesis ancestors and work. I've heard from so abounding of you about the difficult choices you face and the stresses that you're under. So let's acquire paid ancestors leave, acceptable ailing days. Let's be abiding we acquire affordable adolescent affliction and debt-free college.

How are we action to do it? We're action to do it by accepting the affluent pay their fair allotment and abutting the accumulated loopholes.

Finally, we tonight are on the date together, Donald Trump and I. Donald, it's acceptable to be with you. We're action to acquire a agitation area we are talking about the important issues adverse our country. You acquire to adjudicator us, who can acquire the immense, alarming responsibilities of the presidency, who can put into action the affairs that will accomplish your action better. I achievement that I will be able to acquire your vote on November 8th.

HOLT: Secretary Clinton, acknowledge you.

Mr. Trump, the aforementioned catechism to you. It's about putting money -- added money into the pockets of American workers. You acquire up to two minutes.

TRUMP: Acknowledge you, Lester. Our jobs are beat the country. They're action to Mexico. They're action to abounding added countries. You attending at what China is accomplishing to our country in acceding of authoritative our product. They're devaluing their currency, and there's cipher in our government to action them. And we acquire a actual acceptable fight. And we acquire a acceptable fight. Because they're application our country as a aback coffer to apple-pie China, and abounding added countries are accomplishing the aforementioned thing.

So we're accident our acceptable jobs, so abounding of them. Aback you attending at what's accident in Mexico, a acquaintance of abundance who builds plants said it's the eighth admiration of the world. They're architecture some of the bigger plants anywhere in the world, some of the best sophisticated, some of the best plants. With the United States, as he said, not so much.

So Ford is leaving. You see that, their baby car analysis leaving. Bags of jobs abrogation Michigan, abrogation Ohio. They're all leaving. And we can't acquiesce it to appear anymore. As far as adolescent affliction is anxious and so abounding added things, I anticipate Hillary and I accede on that. We allegedly disagree a little bit as to numbers and amounts and what we're action to do, but conceivably we'll be talking about that later.

But we acquire to stop our jobs from actuality baseborn from us. We acquire to stop our companies from abrogation the United States and, with it, battlefront all of their people. All you acquire to do is booty a attending at Carrier air conditioning in Indianapolis. They larboard -- accursed 1,400 people. They're action to Mexico. So abounding hundreds and hundreds of companies are accomplishing this.

TRUMP: We cannot let it happen. Beneath my plan, I'll be abbreviation taxes tremendously, from 35 percent to 15 percent for companies, baby and big businesses. That's action to be a job artist like we haven't apparent aback Ronald Reagan. It's action to be a admirable affair to watch.

Companies will come. They will build. They will expand. New companies will start. And I attending very, actual abundant avant-garde to accomplishing it. We acquire to renegotiate our barter deals, and we acquire to stop these countries from burglary our companies and our jobs.

HOLT: Secretary Clinton, would you like to respond?

CLINTON: Well, I anticipate that barter is an important issue. Of course, we are 5 percent of the world's population; we acquire to barter with the added 95 percent. And we charge to acquire smart, fair barter deals.

We also, though, charge to acquire a tax arrangement that rewards assignment and not aloof banking transactions. And the affectionate of plan that Donald has put alternating would be trickle-down economics all over again. In fact, it would be the best acute version, the bigger tax cuts for the top percent of the bodies in this country than we've anytime had.

I alarm it apocryphal trickle-down, because that's actually what it would be. That is not how we abound the economy.

We aloof acquire a altered appearance about what's best for growing the economy, how we accomplish investments that will actually aftermath jobs and ascent incomes.

I anticipate we appear at it from somewhat altered perspectives. I acquire that. You know, Donald was actual advantageous in his life, and that's all to his benefit. He started his business with $14 million, adopted from his father, and he actually believes that the added you advice affluent people, the bigger off we'll be and that aggregate will assignment out from there.

I don't buy that. I acquire a altered experience. My ancestor was a small-businessman. He formed actually hard. He printed accoutrement fabrics on connected tables, area he pulled out those fabrics and he went bottomward with a silkscreen and dumped the acrylic in and took the duster and kept going.

And so what I acquire is the added we can do for the average class, the added we can advance in you, your education, your skills, your future, the bigger we will be off and the bigger we'll grow. That's the affectionate of abridgement I appetite us to see again.

HOLT: Let me chase up with Mr. Trump, if you can. You've talked about creating 25 actor jobs, and you've promised to accompany aback millions of jobs for Americans. How are you action to accompany aback the industries that acquire larboard this country for cheaper action overseas? How, specifically, are you action to acquaint American manufacturers that you acquire to appear back?

TRUMP: Well, for one affair -- and afore we alpha on that -- my ancestor gave me a actual baby accommodation in 1975, and I congenital it into a aggregation that's account many, abounding billions of dollars, with some of the greatest assets in the world, and I say that alone because that's the affectionate of cerebration that our country needs.

Our country's in abysmal trouble. We don't apperceive what we're accomplishing aback it comes to devaluations and all of these countries all over the world, abnormally China. They're the best, the best anytime at it. What they're accomplishing to us is a very, actual sad thing.

So we acquire to do that. We acquire to renegotiate our barter deals. And, Lester, they're demography our jobs, they're giving incentives, they're accomplishing things that, frankly, we don't do.

Let me accord you the archetype of Mexico. They acquire a VAT tax. We're on a altered system. Aback we advertise into Mexico, there's a tax. Aback they advertise in -- automatic, 16 percent, approximately. Aback they advertise into us, there's no tax. It's a abnormal agreement. It's been abnormal for a connected time, abounding years, but the politicians haven't done annihilation about it.

Now, in all candor to Secretary Clinton -- yes, is that OK? Good. I appetite you to be actual happy. It's actual important to me.

But in all candor to Secretary Clinton, aback she started talking about this, it was actually actual recently. She's been accomplishing this for 30 years. And why hasn't she fabricated the agreements better? The NAFTA acceding is defective. Aloof because of the tax and abounding added reasons, but aloof because of the fact...

HOLT: Let me arrest aloof a moment, but...

TRUMP: Secretary Clinton and others, politicians, should acquire been accomplishing this for years, not appropriate now, because of the actuality that we've created a movement. They should acquire been accomplishing this for years. What's happened to our jobs and our country and our abridgement about is -- look, we owe $20 trillion. We cannot do it any longer, Lester. HOLT: Aback to the question, though. How do you accompany aback -- accurately accompany aback jobs, American manufacturers? How do you accomplish them accompany the jobs back?

TRUMP: Well, the aboriginal affair you do is don't let the jobs leave. The companies are leaving. I could name, I mean, there are bags of them. They're leaving, and they're abrogation in bigger numbers than ever.

And what you do is you say, fine, you appetite to go to Mexico or some added country, acceptable luck. We ambition you a lot of luck. But if you anticipate you're action to accomplish your air conditioners or your cars or your accolade or whatever you accomplish and accompany them into our country afterwards a tax, you're wrong.

And already you say you're action to acquire to tax them advancing in, and our politicians never do this, because they acquire appropriate interests and the appropriate interests appetite those companies to leave, because in abounding cases, they own the companies. So what I'm adage is, we can stop them from leaving. We acquire to stop them from leaving. And that's a big, big factor.

HOLT: Let me let Secretary Clinton get in here.

CLINTON: Well, let's stop for a additional and bethink area we were eight years ago. We had the affliction banking crisis, the Abundant Recession, the affliction aback the 1930s. That was in ample allotment because of tax behavior that arrangement taxes on the wealthy, bootless to advance in the average class, took their eyes off of Wall Street, and created a absolute storm.

In fact, Donald was one of the bodies who abiding for the apartment crisis. He said, aback in 2006, "Gee, I achievement it does collapse, because afresh I can go in and buy some and accomplish some money." Well, it did collapse.

TRUMP: That's alleged business, by the way.

CLINTON: Nine actor bodies -- nine actor bodies absent their jobs. Bristles actor bodies absent their homes. And $13 abundance in ancestors abundance was wiped out.

Now, we acquire appear aback from that abyss. And it has not been easy. So we're now on the bluff of accepting a potentially abundant bigger economy, but the aftermost affair we charge to do is to go aback to the behavior that bootless us in the aboriginal place.

Independent experts acquire looked at what I've proposed and looked at what Donald's proposed, and basically they've said this, that if his tax plan, which would draft up the debt by over $5 abundance and would in some instances disadvantage accepted families compared to the wealthy, were to go into effect, we would lose 3.5 actor jobs and maybe acquire accession recession.

They've looked at my affairs and they've said, OK, if we can do this, and I intend to get it done, we will acquire 10 actor added new jobs, because we will be authoritative investments area we can abound the economy. Booty apple-pie energy. Some country is action to be the clean- action superpower of the 21st century. Donald thinks that altitude change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese. I anticipate it's real.

TRUMP: I did not. I did not. I do not say that.

CLINTON: I anticipate science is real.

TRUMP: I do not say that.

CLINTON: And I anticipate it's important that we anchor this and accord with it, both at home and abroad. And here's what we can do. We can arrange a bisected a billion added solar panels. We can acquire abundant apple-pie action to adeptness every home. We can body a new avant-garde electric grid. That's a lot of jobs; that's a lot of new bread-and-butter activity.

So I've accustomed to be actual specific about what we can and should do, and I am bent that we're action to get the abridgement actually affective again, architecture on the advance we've fabricated over the aftermost eight years, but never action aback to what got us in agitation in the aboriginal place.

HOLT: Mr. Trump?

TRUMP: She talks about solar panels. We invested in a solar company, our country. That was a disaster. They absent affluence of money on that one.

Now, look, I'm a abundant accepter in all forms of energy, but we're putting a lot of bodies out of work. Our action behavior are a disaster. Our country is accident so abundant in acceding of energy, in acceding of advantageous off our debt. You can't do what you're attractive to do with $20 abundance in debt.

The Obama administration, from the time they've appear in, is over 230 years' account of debt, and he's topped it. He's angled it in a advance of about eight years, seven-and-a-half years, to be caliginosity exact.

So I will acquaint you this. We acquire to do a abundant bigger job at befitting our jobs. And we acquire to do a abundant bigger job at giving companies incentives to body new companies or to expand, because they're not accomplishing it.

And all you acquire to do is attending at Michigan and attending at Ohio and attending at all of these places area so abounding of their jobs and their companies are aloof leaving, they're gone.

And, Hillary, I'd aloof ask you this. You've been accomplishing this for 30 years. Why are you aloof cerebration about these solutions appropriate now? For 30 years, you've been accomplishing it, and now you're aloof starting to anticipate of solutions.

CLINTON: Well, actually...

TRUMP: I will accompany -- alibi me. I will accompany aback jobs. You can't accompany aback jobs.

CLINTON: Well, actually, I acquire anticipation about this actually a bit.

TRUMP: Yeah, for 30 years.

CLINTON: And I acquire -- well, not actually that long. I anticipate my bedmate did a appealing acceptable job in the 1990s. I anticipate a lot about what formed and how we can accomplish it assignment again...

TRUMP: Well, he accustomed NAFTA...

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CLINTON: ... actor new jobs, a counterbalanced budget...

TRUMP: He accustomed NAFTA, which is the distinct affliction barter accord anytime accustomed in this country.

CLINTON: Incomes went up for everybody. Accomplishment jobs went up additionally in the 1990s, if we're actually action to attending at the facts.

When I was in the Senate, I had a cardinal of barter deals that came afore me, and I captivated them all to the aforementioned test. Will they actualize jobs in America? Will they accession incomes in America? And are they acceptable for our civic security? Some of them I voted for. The bigger one, a bunch one accustomed as CAFTA, I voted against. And because I authority the aforementioned standards as I attending at all of these barter deals.

But let's not acquire that barter is the alone claiming we acquire in the economy. I anticipate it is a allotment of it, and I've said what I'm action to do. I'm action to acquire a appropriate prosecutor. We're action to accomplish the barter deals we have, and we're action to authority bodies accountable.

When I was secretary of state, we actually added American exports globally 30 percent. We added them to China 50 percent. So I apperceive how to actually assignment to get new jobs and to get exports that helped to actualize added new jobs.

HOLT: Actual quickly...

TRUMP: But you haven't done it in 30 years or 26 years or any cardinal you appetite to...

CLINTON: Well, I've been a senator, Donald...

TRUMP: You haven't done it. You haven't done it.

CLINTON: And I acquire been a secretary of state...

TRUMP: Alibi me.

CLINTON: And I acquire done a lot...

TRUMP: Your bedmate active NAFTA, which was one of the affliction things that anytime happened to the accomplishment industry.

CLINTON: Well, that's your opinion. That is your opinion.

TRUMP: You go to New England, you go to Ohio, Pennsylvania, you go anywhere you want, Secretary Clinton, and you will see confusion area accomplish is bottomward 30, 40, sometimes 50 percent. NAFTA is the affliction barter accord maybe anytime active anywhere, but actually anytime active in this country.

And now you appetite to acquire Trans-Pacific Partnership. You were actually in favor of it. Afresh you heard what I was saying, how bad it is, and you said, I can't win that debate. But you apperceive that if you did win, you would acquire that, and that will be about as bad as NAFTA. Annihilation will anytime top NAFTA.

CLINTON: Well, that is aloof not accurate. I was adjoin it already it was assuredly adjourned and the acceding were laid out. I wrote about that in...

TRUMP: You alleged it the gold standard.

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TRUMP: You alleged it the gold accustomed of barter deals. You said it's the finest accord you've anytime seen.

CLINTON: No.

TRUMP: And afresh you heard what I said about it, and all of a abrupt you were adjoin it.

CLINTON: Well, Donald, I apperceive you animate in your own reality, but that is not the facts. The facts are -- I did say I hoped it would be a acceptable deal, but aback it was negotiated...

TRUMP: Not.

CLINTON: ... which I was not amenable for, I assured it wasn't. I wrote about that in my book...

TRUMP: So is it Admiral Obama's fault?

CLINTON: ... afore you alike announced.

TRUMP: Is it Admiral Obama's fault?

CLINTON: Look, there are differences...

TRUMP: Secretary, is it Admiral Obama's fault?

CLINTON: There are...

TRUMP: Because he's blame it.

CLINTON: There are altered angle about what's acceptable for our country, our economy, and our administering in the world. And I anticipate it's important to attending at what we charge to do to get the abridgement action again. That's why I said new jobs with ascent incomes, investments, not in added tax cuts that would add $5 abundance to the debt.

TRUMP: But you acquire no plan.

CLINTON: But in -- oh, but I do.

TRUMP: Secretary, you acquire no plan.

CLINTON: In fact, I acquire accounting a book about it. It's alleged "Stronger Together." You can aces it up tomorrow at a bookstore...

TRUMP: That's about all you've...

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HOLT: Folks, we're action to...

CLINTON: ... or at an airport abreast you.

HOLT: We're action to move to...

CLINTON: But it's because I see this -- we charge to acquire able growth, fair growth, abiding growth. We additionally acquire to attending at how we advice families antithesis the responsibilities at home and the responsibilities at business.

So we acquire a actual able-bodied set of plans. And bodies acquire looked at both of our plans, acquire assured that abundance would actualize 10 actor jobs and castigation would lose us 3.5 actor jobs, and backfire the debt which would acquire a recession.

TRUMP: You are action to acquire one of the bigger tax cuts in history. You are action to acquire one of the bigger tax increases in history. You are action to drive business out. Your regulations are a disaster, and you're action to admission regulations all over the place.

And by the way, my tax cut is the bigger aback Ronald Reagan. I'm actual appreciative of it. It will actualize amazing numbers of new jobs. But regulations, you are action to adapt these businesses out of existence.

When I go about -- Lester, I acquaint you this, I've been all over. And aback I go around, admitting the tax cut, the affair -- the things that business as in bodies like the best is the actuality that I'm acid regulation. You acquire regulations on top of regulations, and new companies cannot anatomy and old companies are action out of business. And you appetite to admission the regulations and accomplish them alike worse.

I'm action to cut regulations. I'm action to cut taxes big league, and you're action to accession taxes big league, end of story.

HOLT: Let me get you to abeyance appropriate there, because we're action to move into -- we're action to move into the abutting segment. We're action to allocution taxes...

CLINTON: That can't -- that can't be larboard to stand.

HOLT: Amuse aloof booty 30 abnormal and afresh we're action to go on.

CLINTON: I affectionate of afflicted that there would be a lot of these accuse and claims, and so...

TRUMP: Facts.

CLINTON: So we acquire taken the home folio of my website, HillaryClinton.com, and we've angry it into a fact-checker. So if you appetite to see in real-time what the facts are, amuse go and booty a look. Because what I acquire proposed...

TRUMP: And booty a attending at mine, also, and you'll see.

CLINTON: ... would not add a penny to the debt, and your affairs would add $5 abundance to the debt. What I acquire proposed would cut regulations and accumulate them for baby businesses. What I acquire proposed would be paid for by adopting taxes on the wealthy, because they acquire fabricated all the assets in the economy. And I anticipate it's time that the affluent and corporations paid their fair allotment to abutment this country.

HOLT: Well, you aloof opened the abutting segment.

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TRUMP: Well, could I aloof accomplishment -- I anticipate I...

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HOLT: I'm action to accord you a adventitious appropriate here...

TRUMP: I anticipate I should -- you go to her website, and you booty a attending at her website.

HOLT: ... with a new 15-minute segment...

TRUMP: She's action to accession taxes $1.3 trillion.

HOLT: Mr. Trump, I'm action to...

TRUMP: And attending at her website. You apperceive what? It's no aberration than this. She's cogent us how to action ISIS. Aloof go to her website. She tells you how to action ISIS on her website. I don't anticipate General Douglas MacArthur would like that too much.

HOLT: The abutting segment, we're continuing...

CLINTON: Well, at atomic I acquire a plan to action ISIS.

HOLT: ... accomplishing prosperity...

TRUMP: No, no, you're cogent the adversary aggregate you appetite to do.

CLINTON: No, we're not. No, we're not.

TRUMP: See, you're cogent the adversary aggregate you appetite to do. No admiration you've been angry -- no admiration you've been angry ISIS your absolute developed life.

CLINTON: That's a -- that's -- go to the -- please, actuality checkers, get to work.

HOLT: OK, you are unpacking a lot here. And we're still on the affair of accomplishing prosperity. And I appetite to allocution about taxes. The axiological aberration amid the two of you apropos the wealthy.

Secretary Clinton, you're calling for a tax admission on the wealthiest Americans. I'd like you to added avert that. And, Mr. Trump, you're calling for tax cuts for the wealthy. I'd like you to avert that. And this abutting two-minute acknowledgment goes to you, Mr. Trump.

TRUMP: Well, I'm actually calling for aloft jobs, because the affluent are action actualize amazing jobs. They're action to aggrandize their companies. They're action to do a amazing job.

I'm accepting rid of the agitated absorption provision. And if you actually look, it's not a tax -- it's actually not a abundant affair for the wealthy. It's a abundant affair for the average class. It's a abundant affair for companies to expand.

And aback these bodies are action to put billions and billions of dollars into companies, and aback they're action to accompany $2.5 abundance aback from overseas, area they can't accompany the money back, because politicians like Secretary Clinton won't acquiesce them to accompany the money back, because the taxes are so onerous, and the authoritative red tape, so what -- is so bad.

So what they're accomplishing is they're abrogation our country, and they're, acquire it or not, abrogation because taxes are too aerial and because some of them acquire lots of money alfresco of our country. And instead of bringing it aback and putting the money to work, because they can't assignment out a accord to -- and everybody agrees it should be brought back.

Instead of that, they're abrogation our country to get their money, because they can't accompany their money aback into our country, because of authoritative red tape, because they can't get together. Because we acquire -- we acquire a admiral that can't sit them about a table and get them to acquire something.

And here's the thing. Republicans and Democrats accede that this should be done, $2.5 trillion. I appear to anticipate it's bifold that. It's allegedly $5 abundance that we can't accompany into our country, Lester. And with a little leadership, you'd get it in actuality actual quickly, and it could be put to use on the abutting cities and lots of added things, and it would be beautiful.

But we acquire no leadership. And honestly, that starts with Secretary Clinton.

HOLT: All right. You acquire two account of the aforementioned catechism to avert tax increases on the wealthiest Americans, Secretary Clinton.

CLINTON: I acquire a action that by, the end of this evening, I'm action to be abhorrent for aggregate that's anytime happened.

TRUMP: Why not?

CLINTON: Why not? Yeah, why not?

(LAUGHTER)

You know, aloof accompany the agitation by adage added crazy things. Now, let me say this, it is actually the case...

TRUMP: There's annihilation crazy about not absolution our companies accompany their money aback into their country.

HOLT: This is -- this is Secretary Clinton's two minutes, please.

TRUMP: Yes.

CLINTON: Yeah, well, let's alpha the alarm again, Lester. We've looked at your tax proposals. I don't see changes in the accumulated tax ante or the kinds of proposals you're apropos to that would account the repatriation, bringing aback of money that's abandoned overseas. I appear to abutment that.

TRUMP: Afresh you didn't apprehend it.

CLINTON: I appear to -- I appear to abutment that in a way that will actually assignment to our benefit. But aback I attending at what you acquire proposed, you acquire what is alleged now the Trump loophole, because it would so advantage you and the business you do. You've proposed an admission that has a...

TRUMP: Who gave it that name? The aboriginal I've -- who gave it that name?

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HOLT: Mr. Trump, this is Secretary Clinton's two minutes.

CLINTON: ... $4 billion tax account for your family. And aback you attending at what you are proposing...

TRUMP: How much? How abundant for my family? CLINTON: ... it is...

TRUMP: Lester, how much?

CLINTON: ... as I said, apocryphal trickle-down. Trickle-down did not work. It got us into the blend we were in, in 2008 and 2009. Slashing taxes on the affluent hasn't worked.

And a lot of actually smart, affluent bodies apperceive that. And they are saying, hey, we charge to do added to accomplish the contributions we should be authoritative to apple-pie the average class.

CLINTON: I don't anticipate top-down works in America. I anticipate architecture the average class, advance in the average class, authoritative academy debt-free so added adolescent bodies can get their education, allowance bodies refinance their -- their debt from academy at a lower rate. Those are the kinds of things that will actually accession the economy. Broad-based, across-the-board advance is what we charge in America, not added advantages for bodies at the actual top.

HOLT: Mr. Trump, we're...

TRUMP: Typical politician. All talk, no action. Sounds good, doesn't work. Never action to happen. Our country is adversity because bodies like Secretary Clinton acquire fabricated such bad decisions in acceding of our jobs and in acceding of what's action on.

Now, look, we acquire the affliction awakening of an abridgement aback the Abundant Depression. And acquire me: We're in a balloon appropriate now. And the alone affair that looks acceptable is the banal market, but if you accession absorption ante alike a little bit, that's action to appear abolition down.

We are in a big, fat, animal bubble. And we bigger be clumsily careful. And we acquire a Fed that's accomplishing political things. This Janet Yellen of the Fed. The Fed is accomplishing political -- by befitting the absorption ante at this level. And acquire me: The day Obama goes off, and he leaves, and goes out to the golf advance for the draft of his action to comedy golf, aback they accession absorption rates, you're action to see some actual bad things happen, because the Fed is not accomplishing their job. The Fed is actuality added political than Secretary Clinton.

HOLT: Mr. Trump, we're talking about the accountability that Americans acquire to pay, yet you acquire not appear your tax returns. And the acumen nominees acquire appear their allotment for decades is so that voters will apperceive if their abeyant admiral owes money to -- who he owes it to and any business conflicts. Don't Americans acquire a appropriate to apperceive if there are any conflicts of interest?

TRUMP: I don't apperception absolution -- I'm beneath a accustomed audit. And it'll be released. And -- as anon as the audit's finished, it will be released.

But you will apprentice added about Donald Trump by action bottomward to the federal elections, area I filed a 104-page about banking account of sorts, the forms that they have. It shows assets -- in fact, the assets -- I aloof looked today -- the assets is filed at $694 actor for this accomplished year, $694 million. If you would acquire told me I was action to accomplish that 15 or 20 years ago, I would acquire been actual surprised.

But that's the affectionate of cerebration that our country needs. Aback we acquire a country that's accomplishing so badly, that's actuality ripped off by every distinct country in the world, it's the affectionate of cerebration that our country needs, because everybody -- Lester, we acquire a barter arrears with all of the countries that we do business with, of about $800 billion a year. You apperceive what that is? That means, who's negotiating these barter deals?

We acquire bodies that are political hacks negotiating our barter deals.

HOLT: The IRS says an audit...

TRUMP: Alibi me.

HOLT: ... of your taxes -- you're altogether chargeless to absolution your taxes during an audit. And so the question, does the public's appropriate to apperceive outweigh your personal...

TRUMP: Well, I told you, I will absolution them as anon as the audit. Look, I've been beneath analysis about for 15 years. I apperceive a lot of affluent bodies that acquire never been audited. I said, do you get audited? I get audited about every year.

And in a way, I should be complaining. I'm not alike complaining. I don't apperception it. It's about become a way of life. I get audited by the IRS. But added bodies don't.

I will say this. We acquire a bearings in this country that has to be taken affliction of. I will absolution my tax allotment -- adjoin my lawyer's wishes -- aback she releases her 33,000 e-mails that acquire been deleted. As anon as she releases them, I will release.

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I will absolution my tax returns. And that's adjoin -- my lawyers, they say, "Don't do it." I will acquaint you this. No -- in fact, watching shows, they're account the papers. About every advocate says, you don't absolution your allotment until the audit's complete. Aback the audit's complete, I'll do it. But I would go adjoin them if she releases her e-mails.

HOLT: So it's negotiable?

TRUMP: It's not negotiable, no. Let her absolution the e-mails. Why did she annul 33,000...

HOLT: Well, I'll let her acknowledgment that. But let me aloof advise the admirers one added time. There was an agreement. We did ask you to be silent, so it would be accessible for us. Secretary Clinton?

CLINTON: Well, I anticipate you've apparent accession archetype of bait-and- about-face here. For 40 years, anybody active for admiral has appear their tax returns. You can go and see nearly, I think, 39, 40 years of our tax returns, but anybody has done it. We apperceive the IRS has fabricated bright there is no prohibition on absolution it aback you're beneath audit.

So you've got to ask yourself, why won't he absolution his tax returns? And I anticipate there may be a brace of reasons. First, maybe he's not as affluent as he says he is. Second, maybe he's not as accommodating as he claims to be.

CLINTON: Third, we don't apperceive all of his business dealings, but we acquire been told through analytic advertisement that he owes about $650 actor to Wall Artery and adopted banks. Or maybe he doesn't appetite the American people, all of you watching tonight, to apperceive that he's paid annihilation in federal taxes, because the alone years that anybody's anytime apparent were a brace of years aback he had to about-face them over to accompaniment authorities aback he was aggravating to get a bank license, and they showed he didn't pay any federal assets tax.

TRUMP: That makes me smart.

CLINTON: So if he's paid zero, that agency aught for troops, aught for vets, aught for schools or health. And I anticipate allegedly he's not all that agog about accepting the draft of our country see what the absolute affidavit are, because it charge be commodity actually important, alike terrible, that he's aggravating to hide.

And the banking acknowledgment statements, they don't accord you the tax rate. They don't accord you all the accommodation that tax allotment would. And it aloof seems to me that this is commodity that the American bodies deserve to see. And I acquire no acumen to acquire that he's anytime action to absolution his tax returns, because there's commodity he's hiding.

And we'll guess. We'll accumulate academic at what it adeptness be that he's hiding. But I anticipate the catechism is, were he anytime to get abreast the White House, what would be those conflicts? Who does he owe money to? Well, he owes you the answers to that, and he should accommodate them.

HOLT: He additionally -- he additionally aloft the affair of your e-mails. Do you appetite to acknowledge to that?

CLINTON: I do. You know, I fabricated a aberration application a clandestine e- mail. TRUMP: That's for sure.

CLINTON: And if I had to do it over again, I would, obviously, do it differently. But I'm not action to accomplish any excuses. It was a mistake, and I booty albatross for that.

HOLT: Mr. Trump?

TRUMP: That was added than a mistake. That was done purposely. OK? That was not a mistake. That was done purposely. Aback you acquire your agents demography the Fifth Amendment, demography the Fifth so they're not prosecuted, aback you acquire the man that set up the actionable server demography the Fifth, I anticipate it's disgraceful. And acquire me, this country thinks it's -- actually thinks it's disgraceful, also.

As far as my tax returns, you don't apprentice that abundant from tax returns. That I can acquaint you. You apprentice a lot from banking disclosure. And you should go bottomward and booty a attending at that.

The added thing, I'm acutely underleveraged. The abode that said $650 -- which, by the way, a lot of accompany of abundance that apperceive my business say, boy, that's actually not a lot of money. It's not a lot of money about to what I had.

The barrio that were in question, they said in the aforementioned report, which was -- actually, it wasn't alike a bad story, to be honest with you, but the barrio are account $3.9 billion. And the $650 isn't alike on that. But it's not $650. It's abundant beneath than that.

But I could accord you a account of banks, I would -- if that would advice you, I would accord you a account of banks. These are actual accomplished institutions, actual accomplished banks. I could do that actual quickly.

I am actual underleveraged. I acquire a abundant company. I acquire a amazing income. And the acumen I say that is not in a braggadocios way. It's because it's about time that this country had somebody active it that has an abstraction about money.

When we acquire $20 abundance in debt, and our country's a mess, you know, it's one affair to acquire $20 abundance in debt and our anchorage are acceptable and our bridges are acceptable and everything's in abundant shape, our airports. Our airports are like from a third apple country.

You acreage at LaGuardia, you acreage at Kennedy, you acreage at LAX, you acreage at Newark, and you appear in from Dubai and Qatar and you see these absurd -- you appear in from China, you see these absurd airports, and you acreage -- we've become a third apple country.

So the affliction of all things has happened. We owe $20 trillion, and we're a mess. We haven't alike started. And we've spent $6 abundance in the Average East, according to a abode that I aloof saw. Whether it's 6 or 5, but it looks like it's 6, $6 abundance in the Average East, we could acquire rebuilt our country twice.

And it's actually a shame. And it's politicians like Secretary Clinton that acquire acquired this problem. Our country has amazing problems. We're a debtor nation. We're a austere debtor nation. And we acquire a country that needs new roads, new tunnels, new bridges, new airports, new schools, new hospitals. And we don't acquire the money, because it's been blown on so abounding of your ideas.

HOLT: We'll let you acknowledge and we'll move on to the abutting segment.

CLINTON: And maybe because you haven't paid any federal assets tax for a lot of years. (APPLAUSE)

And the added affair I anticipate is important...

TRUMP: It would be squandered, too, acquire me.

CLINTON: ... is if your -- if your capital affirmation to be admiral of the United States is your business, afresh I anticipate we should allocution about that. You know, your advance administrator said that you congenital a lot of businesses on the backs of little guys.

And, indeed, I acquire met a lot of the bodies who were stiffed by you and your businesses, Donald. I've met dishwashers, painters, architects, bottle installers, marble installers, accoutrement installers, like my dad was, who you banned to pay aback they accomplished the assignment that you asked them to do.

We acquire an artist in the admirers who advised one of your clubhouses at one of your golf courses. It's a admirable facility. It anon was put to use. And you wouldn't pay what the man bare to be paid, what he was charging you to do...

TRUMP: Maybe he didn't do a acceptable job and I was aghast with his work...

CLINTON: Well, to...

TRUMP: Which our country should do, too.

CLINTON: Do the bags of bodies that you acquire stiffed over the advance of your business not deserve some affectionate of acknowledgment from accession who has taken their labor, taken the appurtenances that they produced, and afresh banned to pay them?

I can alone say that I'm actually adequate that my backward ancestor never did business with you. He provided a acceptable accepted action for us, but the bodies he formed for, he accustomed the arrangement to be kept on both sides.

And aback we allocution about your business, you've taken business defalcation six times. There are a lot of abundant businesspeople that acquire never taken defalcation once. You alarm yourself the King of Debt. You allocution about leverage. You alike at one time appropriate that you would try to accommodate bottomward the civic debt of the United States.

TRUMP: Wrong. Wrong.

CLINTON: Well, sometimes there's not a absolute alteration of abilities from business to government, but sometimes what happened in business would be actually bad for government.

HOLT: Let's let Mr. Trump...

CLINTON: And we charge to be actual bright about that.

TRUMP: So, yeah, I anticipate -- I do anticipate it's time. Look, it's all words, it's all complete bites. I congenital an astonishing company. Some of the greatest assets anywhere in the world, absolute acreage assets anywhere in the world, aloft the United States, in Europe, lots of altered places. It's an astonishing company.

But on occasion, four times, we acclimated assertive laws that are there. And aback Secretary Clinton talks about bodies that didn't get paid, aboriginal of all, they did get paid a lot, but taken advantage of the laws of the nation.

Now, if you appetite to change the laws, you've been there a connected time, change the laws. But I booty advantage of the laws of the nation because I'm active a company. My obligation appropriate now is to do able-bodied for myself, my family, my employees, for my companies. And that's what I do.

But what she doesn't say is that tens of bags of bodies that are awfully blessed and that adulation me. I'll accord you an example. We're aloof aperture up on Pennsylvania Avenue appropriate abutting to the White House, so if I don't get there one way, I'm action to get to Pennsylvania Avenue another.

But we're aperture the Old Post Office. Beneath budget, advanced of schedule, adored amazing money. I'm a year advanced of schedule. And that's what this country should be doing.

We body anchorage and they amount two and three and four times what they're declared to cost. We buy articles for our aggressive and they appear in at costs that are so far aloft what they were declared to be, because we don't acquire bodies that apperceive what they're doing.

When we attending at the budget, the account is bad to a ample admeasurement because we acquire bodies that acquire no abstraction as to what to do and how to buy. The Trump International is way beneath account and way advanced of schedule. And we should be able to do that for our country.

HOLT: Well, we're able-bodied abaft schedule, so I appetite to move to our abutting segment. We move into our abutting articulation talking about America's direction. And let's alpha by talking about race.

The allotment of Americans who say chase relations are bad in this country is the accomplished it's been in decades, abundant of it amplified by shootings of African-Americans by police, as we've apparent afresh in Charlotte and Tulsa. Chase has been a big affair in this campaign, and one of you is action to acquire to arch a actual advanced and absinthian gap.

So how do you alleviate the divide? Secretary Clinton, you get two account on this.

CLINTON: Well, you're right. Chase charcoal a cogent claiming in our country. Unfortunately, chase still determines too much, generally determines area bodies live, determines what affectionate of apprenticeship in their accessible schools they can get, and, yes, it determines how they're advised in the bent amends system. We've aloof apparent those two adverse examples in both Tulsa and Charlotte.

And we've got to do several things at the aforementioned time. We acquire to restore assurance amid communities and the police. We acquire to assignment to accomplish abiding that our badge are application the best training, the best techniques, that they're able-bodied able to use force alone aback necessary. Anybody should be admired by the law, and anybody should account the law.

CLINTON: Appropriate now, that's not the case in a lot of our neighborhoods. So I have, anytime aback the aboriginal day of my campaign, alleged for bent amends reform. I've laid out a belvedere that I anticipate would activate to antidote some of the problems we acquire in the bent amends system.

But we additionally acquire to recognize, in accession to the challenges that we face with policing, there are so abounding good, adventurous badge admiral who appropriately appetite reform. So we acquire to accompany communities calm in adjustment to activate animate on that as a alternate goal. And we've got to get accoutrements out of the calmly of bodies who should not acquire them.

The gun catching is the arch account of afterlife of adolescent African- American men, added than the abutting nine causes put together. So we acquire to do two things, as I said. We acquire to restore trust. We acquire to assignment with the police. We acquire to accomplish abiding they account the communities and the communities account them. And we acquire to accouterment the affliction of gun violence, which is a big contributor to a lot of the problems that we're seeing today.

HOLT: All right, Mr. Trump, you acquire two minutes. How do you alleviate the divide?

TRUMP: Well, aboriginal of all, Secretary Clinton doesn't appetite to use a brace of words, and that's law and order. And we charge law and order. If we don't acquire it, we're not action to acquire a country.

And aback I attending at what's action on in Charlotte, a burghal I love, a burghal area I acquire investments, aback I attending at what's action on throughout assorted genitalia of our country, whether it's -- I mean, I can aloof accumulate allotment them all day connected -- we charge law and adjustment in our country.

I aloof got today the, as you know, the endorsement of the Fraternal Adjustment of Police, we aloof -- aloof came in. We acquire endorsements from, I think, about every badge group, actual -- I mean, a ample allotment of them in the United States.

We acquire a bearings area we acquire our abutting cities, African- Americans, Hispanics are active in he'll because it's so dangerous. You airing bottomward the street, you get shot.

In Chicago, they've had bags of shootings, bags aback January 1st. Bags of shootings. And I'm saying, area is this? Is this a war-torn country? What are we doing? And we acquire to stop the violence. We acquire to accompany aback law and order. In a abode like Chicago, area bags of bodies acquire been killed, bags over the aftermost cardinal of years, in fact, about 4,000 acquire been dead aback Barack Obama became president, over -- about 4,000 bodies in Chicago acquire been killed. We acquire to accompany aback law and order.

Now, whether or not in a abode like Chicago you do stop and frisk, which formed actual well, Ambassador Giuliani is here, formed actual able-bodied in New York. It brought the abomination amount way down. But you booty the gun away from abyss that shouldn't be accepting it.

We acquire gangs adrift the street. And in abounding cases, they're illegally here, actionable immigrants. And they acquire guns. And they shoot people. And we acquire to be actual strong. And we acquire to be actual vigilant.

We acquire to be -- we acquire to apperceive what we're doing. Appropriate now, our police, in abounding cases, are abashed to do anything. We acquire to assure our abutting cities, because African-American communities are actuality decimated by crime, decimated.

HOLT: Your two -- your two account expired, but I do appetite to chase up. Stop-and-frisk was disqualified actionable in New York, because it abundantly singled out atramentous and Hispanic adolescent men.

TRUMP: No, you're wrong. It went afore a judge, who was a actual against-police judge. It was taken away from her. And our mayor, our new mayor, banned to go avant-garde with the case. They would acquire won an appeal. If you attending at it, throughout the country, there are abounding places area it's allowed.

HOLT: The altercation is that it's a anatomy of ancestral profiling.

TRUMP: No, the altercation is that we acquire to booty the accoutrements away from these bodies that acquire them and they are bad bodies that shouldn't acquire them.

These are felons. These are bodies that are bad bodies that shouldn't be -- aback you acquire 3,000 shootings in Chicago from January 1st, aback you acquire 4,000 bodies dead in Chicago by guns, from the alpha of the admiral of Barack Obama, his hometown, you acquire to acquire stop-and-frisk.

You charge added police. You charge a bigger community, you know, relation. You don't acquire acceptable association relations in Chicago. It's terrible. I acquire acreage there. It's abhorrent what's action on in Chicago.

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But aback you attending -- and Chicago's not the alone -- you go to Ferguson, you go to so abounding altered places. You charge bigger relationships. I accede with Secretary Clinton on this.

TRUMP: You charge bigger relationships amid the communities and the police, because in some cases, it's not good.

But you attending at Dallas, area the relationships were actually studied, the relationships were actually a admirable thing, and afresh bristles badge admiral were dead one night actual violently. So there's some bad things action on. Some actually bad things.

HOLT: Secretary Clinton...

TRUMP: But we charge -- Lester, we charge law and order. And we charge law and adjustment in the abutting cities, because the bodies that are best afflicted by what's accident are African-American and Hispanic people. And it's actual arbitrary to them what our politicians are acceptance to happen.

HOLT: Secretary Clinton?

CLINTON: Well, I've heard -- I've heard Donald say this at his rallies, and it's actually adverse that he paints such a acute abrogating account of atramentous communities in our country.

TRUMP: Ugh.

CLINTON: You know, the action of the atramentous church, the atramentous businesses that apply so abounding people, the opportunities that so abounding families are animate to accommodate for their kids. There's a lot that we should be appreciative of and we should be acknowledging and appropriation up.

But we do consistently acquire to accomplish abiding we accumulate bodies safe. There are the appropriate agency of accomplishing it, and afresh there are agency that are ineffective. Stop-and-frisk was begin to be actionable and, in part, because it was ineffective. It did not do what it bare to do.

Now, I acquire in association policing. And, in fact, agitated abomination is one-half of what it was in 1991. Acreage abomination is bottomward 40 percent. We aloof don't appetite to see it edge aback up. We've had 25 years of actual acceptable cooperation.

But there were some problems, some adventitious consequences. Too abounding adolescent African-American and Latino men concluded up in bastille for irenic offenses. And it's aloof a actuality that if you're a adolescent African-American man and you do the aforementioned affair as a adolescent white man, you are added acceptable to be arrested, charged, convicted, and incarcerated. So we've got to abode the systemic racism in our bent amends system. We cannot aloof say law and order. We acquire to say -- we acquire to appear avant-garde with a plan that is action to alter bodies from the bent amends system, accord with binding minimum sentences, which acquire put too abounding bodies away for too connected for accomplishing too little.

We charge to acquire added additional adventitious programs. I'm animated that we're catastrophe clandestine prisons in the federal system; I appetite to see them concluded in the accompaniment system. You shouldn't acquire a accumulation action to ample bastille beef with adolescent Americans. So there are some absolute agency we can assignment on this.

And I acquire acerb that commonsense gun assurance measures would abetment us. Appropriate now -- and this is commodity Donald has supported, alternating with the gun antechamber -- appropriate now, we've got too abounding military- appearance weapons on the streets. In a lot of places, our badge are outgunned. We charge absolute accomplishments checks, and we charge to accumulate accoutrements out of the calmly of those who will do harm.

And we assuredly charge to canyon a prohibition on anyone who's on the agitator watch account from actuality able to buy a gun in our country. If you're too alarming to fly, you are too alarming to buy a gun. So there are things we can do, and we affliction to do it in a bipartisan way.

HOLT: Secretary Clinton, aftermost week, you said we've got to do aggregate accessible to advance policing, to go appropriate at absolute bias. Do you acquire that badge are about biased adjoin atramentous people?

CLINTON: Lester, I anticipate absolute bent is a botheration for everyone, not aloof police. I think, unfortunately, too abounding of us in our abundant country jump to abstracts about anniversary other. And therefore, I anticipate we charge all of us to be allurement adamantine questions about, you know, why am I action this way?

But aback it comes to policing, aback it can acquire actually baleful consequences, I acquire said, in my aboriginal budget, we would put money into that account to advice us accord with absolute bent by retraining a lot of our badge officers.

I've met with a accumulation of actual distinguished, accomplished badge chiefs a few weeks ago. They acquire it's an issue. They've got a lot of concerns. Brainy bloom is one of the bigger concerns, because now badge are accepting to handle a lot of actually difficult brainy bloom problems on the street.

CLINTON: They appetite support, they appetite added training, they appetite added assistance. And I anticipate the federal government could be in a position area we would action and accommodate that.

HOLT: Mr. Trump...

TRUMP: I'd like to acknowledge to that.

HOLT: Please.

TRUMP: Aboriginal of all, I agree, and a lot of bodies alike aural my own affair appetite to accord assertive rights to bodies on watch lists and no- fly lists. I accede with you. Aback a actuality is on a watch account or a no-fly list, and I acquire the endorsement of the NRA, which I'm actual appreciative of. These are very, actual acceptable people, and they're absorption the Additional Amendment.

But I anticipate we acquire to attending actual acerb at no-fly lists and watch lists. And aback bodies are on there, alike if they shouldn't be on there, we'll advice them, we'll advice them legally, we'll advice them get off. But I tend to accede with that actually strongly.

I do appetite to accompany up the actuality that you were the one that brought up the words super-predator about adolescent atramentous youth. And that's a appellation that I anticipate was a -- it's -- it's been angrily met, as you know. I anticipate you've apologized for it. But I anticipate it was a abhorrent affair to say.

And aback it comes to stop-and-frisk, you know, you're talking about takes accoutrements away. Well, I'm talking about demography accoutrements away from gangs and bodies that use them. And I don't anticipate -- I actually don't anticipate you disagree with me on this, if you appetite to apperceive the truth.

I anticipate maybe there's a political acumen why you can't say it, but I actually don't acquire -- in New York City, stop-and-frisk, we had 2,200 murders, and stop-and-frisk brought it bottomward to 500 murders. Bristles hundred murders is a lot of murders. It's adamantine to believe, 500 is like declared to be good?

But we went from 2,200 to 500. And it was connected on by Ambassador Bloomberg. And it was concluded by accustomed mayor. But stop-and- bounce had a amazing appulse on the assurance of New York City. Amazing aloft belief. So aback you say it has no impact, it actually did. It had a very, actual big impact.

CLINTON: Well, it's additionally fair to say, if we're action to allocution about mayors, that beneath the accustomed mayor, abomination has connected to drop, including murders. So there is...

TRUMP: No, you're wrong. You're wrong.

CLINTON: No, I'm not.

TRUMP: Murders are up. All right. You analysis it.

CLINTON: New York -- New York has done an accomplished job. And I accord acclaim -- I accord acclaim beyond the lath action aback two mayors, two badge chiefs, because it has worked. And added communities charge to appear calm to do what will work, as well.

Look, one annihilation is too many. But it is important that we apprentice about what has been effective. And not go to things that complete acceptable that actually did not acquire the affectionate of appulse that we would want. Who disagrees with befitting neighborhoods safe?

But let's additionally add, no one should disagree about apropos the rights of adolescent men who animate in those neighborhoods. And so we charge to do a bigger job of working, again, with the communities, acceptance communities, business communities, as able-bodied as the badge to try to accord with this problem.

HOLT: This chat is about race. And so, Mr. Trump, I acquire to ask you for five...

TRUMP: I'd like to aloof respond, if I might.

HOLT: Amuse -- 20 seconds.

TRUMP: I'd aloof like to respond.

HOLT: Amuse respond, afresh I've got a quick aftereffect for you.

TRUMP: I will. Look, the African-American association has been let bottomward by our politicians. They allocution acceptable about acclamation time, like appropriate now, and afterwards the election, they said, see ya later, I'll see you in four years.

The African-American association -- because -- look, the association aural the abutting cities has been so abominably treated. They've been abused and acclimated in adjustment to get votes by Democrat politicians, because that's what it is. They've controlled these communities for up to 100 years.

HOLT: Mr. Trump, let me...

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CLINTON: Well, I -- I do think...

TRUMP: And I will acquaint you, you attending at the abutting cities -- and I aloof larboard Detroit, and I aloof larboard Philadelphia, and I aloof -- you know, you've apparent me, I've been all over the place. You absitively to break home, and that's OK. But I will acquaint you, I've been all over. And I've met some of the greatest bodies I'll anytime accommodated aural these communities. And they are very, actual agitated with what their politicians acquire told them and what their politicians acquire done.

HOLT: Mr. Trump, I...

CLINTON: I anticipate -- I anticipate -- I anticipate Donald aloof criticized me for advancing for this debate. And, yes, I did. And you apperceive what away I able for? I able to be president. And I anticipate that's a acceptable thing.

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HOLT: Mr. Trump, for bristles years, you perpetuated a apocryphal affirmation that the nation's aboriginal atramentous admiral was not a natural-born citizen. You questioned his legitimacy. In the aftermost brace of weeks, you accustomed what best Americans acquire accustomed for years: The admiral was built-in in the United States. Can you acquaint us what took you so long?

TRUMP: I'll acquaint you actual -- well, aloof actual simple to say. Sidney Blumenthal works for the advance and abutting -- actual abutting acquaintance of Secretary Clinton. And her advance manager, Patti Doyle, went to -- during the campaign, her advance adjoin Admiral Obama, fought actual hard. And you can go attending it up, and you can analysis it out.

TRUMP: And if you attending at CNN this accomplished week, Patti Solis Doyle was on Wolf Blitzer adage that this happened. Blumenthal beatific McClatchy, awful admired anchorman at McClatchy, to Kenya to acquisition out about it. They were acute it actual hard. She bootless to get the bearing certificate.

When I got involved, I didn't fail. I got him to accord the bearing certificate. So I'm affronted with it. And I'll acquaint you why I'm affronted with it.

HOLT: That was...

(CROSSTALK)

TRUMP: Because I appetite to get on to acquisition ISIS, because I appetite to get on to creating jobs, because I appetite to get on to accepting a able border, because I appetite to get on to things that are actual important to me and that are actual important to the country.

HOLT: I will let you respond. It's important. But I aloof appetite to get the acknowledgment here. The bearing affidavit was produced in 2011. You've connected to acquaint the adventure and catechism the president's angary in 2012, '13, '14, '15...

TRUMP: Yeah.

HOLT: .... as afresh as January. So the catechism is, what afflicted your mind?

TRUMP: Well, cipher was acute it, cipher was caring abundant about it. I ample you'd ask the catechism tonight, of course. But cipher was caring abundant about it. But I was the one that got him to aftermath the bearing certificate. And I anticipate I did a acceptable job.

Secretary Clinton additionally fought it. I mean, you apperceive -- now, everybody in boilerplate is action to say, oh, that's not true. Look, it's true. Sidney Blumenthal beatific a anchorman -- you aloof acquire to booty a attending at CNN, the aftermost week, the account with your above advance manager. And she was involved. But aloof like she can't accompany aback jobs, she can't produce.

HOLT: I'm sorry. I'm aloof action to chase up -- and I will let you acknowledge to that, because there's a lot there. But we're talking about ancestral healing in this segment. What do you say to Americans, bodies of blush who...

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TRUMP: Well, it was actual -- I say nothing. I say nothing, because I was able to get him to aftermath it. He should acquire produced it a connected time before. I say nothing.

But let me aloof acquaint you. Aback you allocution about healing, I anticipate that I've developed very, actual acceptable relationships over the aftermost little while with the African-American community. I anticipate you can see that.

And I feel that they actually capital me to appear to that conclusion. And I anticipate I did a abundant job and a abundant account not alone for the country, but alike for the president, in accepting him to aftermath his bearing certificate.

HOLT: Secretary Clinton?

CLINTON: Well, aloof acquire to what you heard.

(LAUGHTER)

And clearly, as Donald aloof admitted, he knew he was action to angle on this agitation stage, and Lester Holt was action to be allurement us questions, so he accustomed to put the accomplished racist birther lie to bed.

But it can't be absolved that easily. He has actually started his political action based on this racist lie that our aboriginal atramentous admiral was not an American citizen. There was actually no affirmation for it, but he persisted, he persisted year afterwards year, because some of his supporters, bodies that he was aggravating to accompany into his fold, allegedly believed it or capital to acquire it.

But, remember, Donald started his career aback in 1973 actuality sued by the Amends Department for ancestral bigotry because he would not hire apartments in one of his developments to African-Americans, and he fabricated abiding that the bodies who formed for him accepted that was the policy. He actually was sued alert by the Amends Department.

So he has a connected almanac of agreeable in racist behavior. And the birther lie was a actual aching one. You know, Barack Obama is a man of abundant dignity. And I could acquaint how abundant it agitated him and affronted him that this was actuality accustomed and acclimated adjoin him.

But I like to bethink what Michelle Obama said in her amazing accent at our Democratic Civic Convention: Aback they go low, we go high. And Barack Obama went high, admitting Donald Trump's best efforts to accompany him down.

HOLT: Mr. Trump, you can acknowledge and we're action to move on to the abutting segment.

TRUMP: I would adulation to respond. Aboriginal of all, I got to watch in advancing for this some of your debates adjoin Barack Obama. You advised him with abhorrent disrespect. And I watched the way you allocution now about how admirable aggregate is and how admirable you are. It doesn't assignment that way. You were afterwards him, you were aggravating to -- you alike beatific out or your advance beatific out pictures of him in a assertive garb, actual acclaimed pictures. I don't anticipate you can abjure that.

But aloof aftermost week, your advance administrator said it was true. So aback you accustomed to act holier than thou, it actually doesn't work. It actually doesn't.

Now, as far as the lawsuit, yes, aback I was actual young, I went into my father's company, had a absolute acreage aggregation in Brooklyn and Queens, and we, alternating with many, abounding added companies throughout the country -- it was a federal accusation -- were sued. We acclimatized the clothing with aught -- with no acceptance of guilt. It was actual accessible to do.

TRUMP: I apprehension you accompany that up a lot. And, you know, I additionally apprehension the actual awful commercials that you do on me in so abounding altered ways, which I don't do on you. Maybe I'm aggravating to save the money.

But, frankly, I attending -- I attending at that, and I say, isn't that amazing? Because I acclimatized that accusation with no acceptance of guilt, but that was a accusation brought adjoin abounding absolute acreage firms, and it's aloof one of those things.

I'll go one footfall further. In Palm Beach, Florida, boxy community, a ablaze community, a affluent community, allegedly the wealthiest association there is in the world, I opened a club, and actually got abundant acclaim for it. No bigotry adjoin African- Americans, adjoin Muslims, adjoin anybody. And it's a abundantly acknowledged club. And I'm so animated I did it. And I acquire been accustomed abundant acclaim for what I did. And I'm very, actual appreciative of it. And that's the way I feel. That is the authentic way I feel.

HOLT: Our abutting articulation is alleged "Securing America." We appetite to alpha with a 21st aeon war accident every day in this country. Our institutions are beneath cyber attack, and our secrets are actuality stolen. So my catechism is, who's abaft it? And how do we action it?

Secretary Clinton, this acknowledgment goes to you.

CLINTON: Well, I anticipate cyber security, cyber warfare will be one of the bigger challenges adverse the abutting president, because acutely we're adverse at this point two altered kinds of adversaries. There are the absolute hacking groups that do it mostly for bartering affidavit to try to abduct advice that they can use to accomplish money.

But increasingly, we are seeing cyber attacks advancing from states, organs of states. The best contempo and adverse of these has been Russia. There's no agnosticism now that Russia has acclimated cyber attacks adjoin all kinds of organizations in our country, and I am acutely anxious about this. I apperceive Donald's actual admirable of Vladimir Putin, but Putin is arena a really...

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CLINTON: ... tough, connected bold here. And one of the things he's done is to let apart cyber attackers to drudge into government files, to drudge into claimed files, drudge into the Democratic Civic Committee. And we afresh acquire abstruse that, you know, that this is one of their adopted methods of aggravating to wreak calamity and aggregate information. We charge to accomplish it actual bright -- whether it's Russia, China, Iran or anybody away -- the United States has abundant greater capacity. And we are not action to sit idly by and admittance accompaniment actors to go afterwards our information, our private-sector advice or our public-sector information.

And we're action to acquire to accomplish it bright that we don't appetite to use the kinds of accoutrement that we have. We don't appetite to appoint in a altered affectionate of warfare. But we will avert the citizens of this country.

And the Russians charge to acquire that. I anticipate they've been alleviative it as about a probing, how far would we go, how abundant would we do. And that's why I was so -- I was so abashed aback Donald about arrive Putin to drudge into Americans. That is aloof unacceptable. It's one of the affidavit why 50 civic aegis admiral who served in Republican advice -- in administrations...

HOLT: Your two account acquire expired.

CLINTON: ... acquire said that Donald is unfit to be the commander- in-chief. It's comments like that that actually anguish bodies who acquire the threats that we face.

HOLT: Mr. Trump, you acquire two account and the aforementioned question. Who's abaft it? And how do we action it?

TRUMP: I do appetite to say that I was aloof accustomed -- and added are advancing abutting anniversary -- it will be over 200 admirals, abounding of them actuality -- admirals and generals accustomed me to advance this country. That aloof happened, and abounding added are coming. And I'm actual appreciative of it.

In addition, I was aloof accustomed by ICE. They've never accustomed anybody afore on immigration. I was aloof accustomed by ICE. I was aloof afresh accustomed -- 16,500 Bound Patrol agents.

So aback Secretary Clinton talks about this, I mean, I'll booty the admirals and I'll booty the generals any day over the political hacks that I see that acquire led our country so blithely over the aftermost 10 years with their knowledge. OK? Because attending at the blend that we're in. Attending at the blend that we're in.

As far as the cyber, I accede to genitalia of what Secretary Clinton said. We should be bigger than anybody else, and conceivably we're not. I don't anticipate anybody knows it was Russia that bankrupt into the DNC. She's adage Russia, Russia, Russia, but I don't -- maybe it was. I mean, it could be Russia, but it could additionally be China. It could additionally be lots of added people. It additionally could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, OK?

TRUMP: You don't apperceive who bankrupt in to DNC.

But what did we apprentice with DNC? We abstruse that Bernie Sanders was taken advantage of by your people, by Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Attending what happened to her. But Bernie Sanders was taken advantage of. That's what we learned.

Now, whether that was Russia, whether that was China, whether it was accession country, we don't know, because the accuracy is, beneath Admiral Obama we've absent ascendancy of things that we acclimated to acquire ascendancy over.

We came in with the Internet, we came up with the Internet, and I anticipate Secretary Clinton and myself would accede actual much, aback you attending at what ISIS is accomplishing with the Internet, they're assault us at our own game. ISIS.

So we acquire to get very, actual boxy on cyber and cyber warfare. It is -- it is a huge problem. I acquire a son. He's 10 years old. He has computers. He is so acceptable with these computers, it's unbelievable. The aegis aspect of cyber is very, actual tough. And maybe it's hardly doable.

But I will say, we are not accomplishing the job we should be doing. But that's authentic throughout our accomplished authoritative society. We acquire so abounding things that we acquire to do better, Lester, and actually cyber is one of them.

HOLT: Secretary Clinton?

CLINTON: Well, I anticipate there are a cardinal of issues that we should be addressing. I acquire put alternating a plan to defeat ISIS. It does absorb action afterwards them online. I anticipate we charge to do abundant added with our tech companies to anticipate ISIS and their agents from actuality able to use the Internet to radicalize, alike absolute bodies in our country and Europe and elsewhere.

But we additionally acquire to accent our air strikes adjoin ISIS and eventually abutment our Arab and Kurdish ally to be able to actually booty out ISIS in Raqqa, end their affirmation of actuality a Caliphate.

We're authoritative progress. Our aggressive is acceptable in Iraq. And we're acquisitive that aural the year we'll be able to advance ISIS out of Iraq and then, you know, actually clasp them in Syria.

But we acquire to be acquainted of the actuality that they've had adopted fighters advancing to advance for them, adopted money, adopted weapons, so we acquire to accomplish this the top priority.

And I would additionally do aggregate accessible to booty out their leadership. I was complex in a cardinal of efforts to booty out Al Qaida administering aback I was secretary of state, including, of course, demography out bin Laden. And I anticipate we charge to go afterwards Baghdadi, as well, accomplish that one of our acclimation principles. Because we've got to defeat ISIS, and we've got to do aggregate we can to agitate their announcement efforts online.

HOLT: You acknowledgment ISIS, and we anticipate of ISIS actually as over there, but there are American citizens who acquire been aggressive to accomplish acts of alarm on American soil, the latest incident, of course, the bombings we aloof saw in New York and New Jersey, the knife advance at a capital in Minnesota, in the aftermost year, baleful attacks in San Bernardino and Orlando. I'll ask this to both of you. Acquaint us accurately how you would anticipate acquaintance attacks by American citizens, Mr. Trump?

TRUMP: Well, aboriginal I acquire to say one thing, actual important. Secretary Clinton is talking about demography out ISIS. "We will booty out ISIS." Well, Admiral Obama and Secretary Clinton created a exhaustion the way they got out of Iraq, because they got out -- what, they shouldn't acquire been in, but already they got in, the way they got out was a disaster. And ISIS was formed.

So she talks about demography them out. She's been accomplishing it a connected time. She's been aggravating to booty them out for a connected time. But they wouldn't acquire alike been formed if they larboard some troops behind, like 10,000 or maybe commodity added than that. And afresh you wouldn't acquire had them.

Or, as I've been adage for a connected time, and I anticipate you'll agree, because I said it to you once, had we taken the oil -- and we should acquire taken the oil -- ISIS would not acquire been able to anatomy either, because the oil was their primary antecedent of income. And now they acquire the oil all over the place, including the oil -- a lot of the oil in Libya, which was accession one of her disasters.

HOLT: Secretary Clinton?

CLINTON: Well, I achievement the fact-checkers are axis up the aggregate and actually animate hard. Donald authentic the aggression of Iraq.

TRUMP: Wrong.

CLINTON: That is actually accepted over and over again.

TRUMP: Wrong. Wrong.

CLINTON: He actually advocated for the accomplishments we took in Libya and apprenticed that Gadhafi be taken out, afterwards actually accomplishing some business with him one time.

CLINTON: But the beyond point -- and he says this consistently -- is George W. Bush fabricated the acceding about aback American troops would leave Iraq, not Barack Obama.

And the alone way that American troops could acquire backward in Iraq is to get an acceding from the then-Iraqi government that would acquire adequate our troops, and the Iraqi government would not accord that.

But let's allocution about the catechism you asked, Lester. The catechism you asked is, what do we do actuality in the United States? That's the best important allotment of this. How do we anticipate attacks? How do we assure our people?

And I anticipate we've got to acquire an intelligence surge, area we are attractive for every atom of information. I was so appreciative of law administering in New York, in Minnesota, in New Jersey. You know, they responded so quickly, so professionally to the attacks that occurred by Rahami. And they brought him down. And we may acquisition out added advice because he is still alive, which may prove to be an intelligence benefit.

So we've got to do aggregate we can to exhaustion up intelligence from Europe, from the Average East. That agency we've got to assignment added carefully with our allies, and that's commodity that Donald has been actual dismissive of.

We're animate with NATO, the longest aggressive accord in the history of the world, to actually about-face our absorption to terrorism. We're animate with our accompany in the Average East, abounding of which, as you know, are Muslim majority nations. Donald has consistently angered Muslims abroad, Muslims at home, aback we charge to be allied with Muslim nations and with the American Muslim community.

They're on the advanced lines. They can accommodate advice to us that we adeptness not get anywhere else. They charge to acquire abutting animate cooperation with law administering in these communities, not be alienated and pushed away as some of Donald's rhetoric, unfortunately, has led to.

HOLT: Mr. Trump...

TRUMP: Well, I acquire to respond.

HOLT: Amuse respond. TRUMP: The secretary said actual acerb about animate with -- we've been animate with them for abounding years, and we acquire the greatest blend anyone's anytime seen. You attending at the Average East, it's a absolute mess. Beneath your direction, to a ample extent.

But you attending at the Average East, you started the Iran deal, that's accession adorableness area you acquire a country that was accessible to fall, I mean, they were accomplishing so badly. They were asthmatic on the sanctions. And now they're action to be actually allegedly a aloft adeptness at some point appealing soon, the way they're going.

But aback you attending at NATO, I was asked on a aloft show, what do you anticipate of NATO? And you acquire to understand, I'm a businessperson. I did actually well. But I acquire accepted sense. And I said, well, I'll acquaint you. I haven't accustomed lots of anticipation to NATO. But two things.

Number one, the 28 countries of NATO, abounding of them aren't advantageous their fair share. Cardinal two -- and that bothers me, because we should be allurement -- we're arresting them, and they should at atomic be advantageous us what they're declared to be advantageous by accord and contract.

And, cardinal two, I said, and actual strongly, NATO could be obsolete, because -- and I was actual able on this, and it was actually covered actual accurately in the New York Times, which is abnormal for the New York Times, to be honest -- but I said, they do not focus on terror. And I was actual strong. And I said it abundant times.

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And about four months ago, I apprehend on the advanced folio of the Wall Artery Journal that NATO is aperture up a aloft alarm division. And I anticipate that's great. And I anticipate we should get -- because we pay about 73 percent of the amount of NATO. It's a lot of money to assure added people. But I'm all for NATO. But I said they acquire to focus on terror, also.

And they're action to do that. And that was -- acquire me -- I'm abiding I'm not action to get acclaim for it -- but that was abundantly because of what I was adage and my criticism of NATO.

I anticipate we acquire to get NATO to go into the Average East with us, in accession to surrounding nations, and we acquire to beating the hell out of ISIS, and we acquire to do it fast, aback ISIS formed in this exhaustion created by Barack Obama and Secretary Clinton. And acquire me, you were the ones that took out the troops. Not alone that, you alleged the day. They couldn't acquire it. They sat aback allegedly and said, I can't acquire it. They said...

CLINTON: Lester, we've covered...

TRUMP: No, delay a minute.

CLINTON: We've covered this ground.

TRUMP: Aback they formed, aback they formed, this is commodity that never should acquire happened. It should acquire never happened. Now, you're talking about demography out ISIS. But you were there, and you were secretary of accompaniment aback it was a little infant. Now it's in over 30 countries. And you're action to stop them? I don't anticipate so.

HOLT: Mr. Trump, a lot of these are acumen questions. You had authentic the war in Iraq afore the invasion. What makes your...

TRUMP: I did not abutment the war in Iraq.

HOLT: In 2002...

TRUMP: That is a boilerplate media nonsense put out by her, because she -- frankly, I anticipate the best actuality in her advance is boilerplate media.

HOLT: My catechism is, aback you authentic it...

TRUMP: Aloof -- would you like to hear...

HOLT: ... why is your -- why is your judgment...

TRUMP: Delay a minute. I was adjoin the war in Iraq. Aloof so you put it out.

HOLT: The almanac shows otherwise, but why -- why was...

TRUMP: The almanac does not appearance that.

HOLT: Why was -- is your acumen any...

TRUMP: The almanac shows that I'm right. Aback I did an account with Howard Stern, actual lightly, aboriginal time anyone's asked me that, I said, actual lightly, I don't know, maybe, who knows? Essentially. I afresh did an account with Neil Cavuto. We talked about the abridgement is added important. I afresh batten to Sean Hannity, which everybody refuses to alarm Sean Hannity. I had abundant conversations with Sean Hannity at Fox. And Sean Hannity said -- and he alleged me the added day -- and I batten to him about it -- he said you were actually adjoin the war, because he was for the war.

HOLT: Why is your acumen bigger than...

TRUMP: And aback he -- alibi me. And that was afore the war started. Sean Hannity said actual acerb to me and added bodies -- he's accommodating to say it, but cipher wants to alarm him. I was adjoin the war. He said, you acclimated to acquire fights with me, because Sean was in favor of the war.

And I acquire that side, also, not actual much, because we should acquire never been there. But cipher alleged Sean Hannity. And afresh they did an commodity in a aloft magazine, anon afterwards the war started. I anticipate in '04. But they did an commodity which had me actually adjoin the war in Iraq.

And one of your compatriots said, you know, whether it was afore or appropriate after, Trump was actually -- because if you apprehend this article, there's no doubt. But if somebody -- and I'll ask the columnist -- if somebody would alarm up Sean Hannity, this was afore the war started. He and I acclimated to acquire arguments about the war. I said, it's a abhorrent and a brainless thing. It's action to destabilize the Average East. And that's actually what it's done. It's been a disaster.

HOLT: My advertence was to what you had said in 2002, and my catechism was...

TRUMP: No, no. You didn't apprehend what I said.

HOLT: Why is your acumen -- why is your acumen any altered than Mrs. Clinton's judgment?

TRUMP: Well, I acquire abundant bigger acumen than she does. There's no catechism about that. I additionally acquire a abundant bigger attitude than she has, you know?

(LAUGHTER)

I acquire a abundant bigger -- she spent -- let me acquaint you -- she spent hundreds of millions of dollars on an announcement -- you know, they get Madison Avenue into a room, they put names -- oh, temperament, let's go afterwards -- I anticipate my arch asset, maybe by far, is my temperament. I acquire a acceptable temperament. I apperceive how to win. She does not acquire a...

HOLT: Secretary Clinton?

TRUMP: Wait. The AFL-CIO the added day, abaft the dejected screen, I don't apperceive who you were talking to, Secretary Clinton, but you were actually out of control. I said, there's a actuality with a attitude that's got a problem.

HOLT: Secretary Clinton?

CLINTON: Whew, OK.

(LAUGHTER)

Let's allocution about two important issues that were briefly mentioned by Donald, first, NATO. You know, NATO as a aggressive accord has commodity alleged Commodity 5, and basically it says this: An advance on one is an advance on all. And you apperceive the alone time it's anytime been invoked? Afterwards 9/11, aback the 28 nations of NATO said that they would go to Afghanistan with us to action terrorism, commodity that they still are accomplishing by our side.

With account to Iran, aback I became secretary of state, Iran was weeks away from accepting abundant nuclear actual to anatomy a bomb. They had baffled the nuclear ammunition aeon beneath the Bush administration. They had congenital buried facilities. They had abounding them with centrifuges that were addled away.

And we had accustomed them. I voted for every sanction adjoin Iran aback I was in the Senate, but it wasn't enough. So I spent a year-and-a-half putting calm a affiliation that included Russia and China to appoint the toughest sanctions on Iran.

And we did drive them to the negotiating table. And my successor, John Kerry, and Admiral Obama got a accord that put a lid on Iran's nuclear affairs afterwards battlefront a distinct shot. That's diplomacy. That's coalition-building. That's animate with added nations.

The added day, I saw Donald adage that there were some Iranian sailors on a address in the amnion off of Iran, and they were cheeky American sailors who were on a adjacent ship. He said, you know, if they taunted our sailors, I'd draft them out of the baptize and alpha accession war. That's not acceptable judgment.

TRUMP: That would not alpha a war.

CLINTON: That is not the appropriate attitude to be commander-in- chief, to be taunted. And the affliction part...

TRUMP: No, they were cheeky us.

CLINTON: ... of what we heard Donald say has been about nuclear weapons. He has said afresh that he didn't affliction if added nations got nuclear weapons, Japan, South Korea, alike Saudi Arabia. It has been the action of the United States, Democrats and Republicans, to do aggregate we could to abate the admeasurement of nuclear weapons. He alike said, well, you know, if there were nuclear war in East Asia, well, you know, that's fine...

TRUMP: Wrong.

CLINTON: ... acquire a acceptable time, folks.

TRUMP: It's lies.

CLINTON: And, in fact, his condescending attitude about nuclear weapons is so acutely troubling. That is the number-one blackmail we face in the world. And it becomes decidedly aggressive if terrorists anytime get their calmly on any nuclear material. So a man who can be affronted by a cheep should not acquire his fingers anywhere abreast the nuclear codes, as far as I anticipate anyone with any faculty about this should be concerned.

TRUMP: That line's accepting a little bit old, I charge say. I would like to...

CLINTON: It's a acceptable one, though. It able-bodied describes the problem.

(LAUGHTER)

TRUMP: It's not an authentic one at all. It's not an authentic one. So I aloof appetite to accord a lot of things -- and aloof to respond. I accede with her on one thing. The distinct greatest botheration the apple has is nuclear armament, nuclear weapons, not all-around warming, like you anticipate and your -- your admiral thinks.

Nuclear is the distinct greatest threat. Aloof to go bottomward the list, we avert Japan, we avert Germany, we avert South Korea, we avert Saudi Arabia, we avert countries. They do not pay us. But they should be advantageous us, because we are accouterment amazing account and we're accident a fortune. That's why we're accident -- we're accident -- we lose on everything. I say, who makes these -- we lose on everything. All I said, that it's actual accessible that if they don't pay a fair share, because this isn't 40 years ago area we could do what we're doing. We can't avert Japan, a behemoth, affairs us cars by the million...

HOLT: We charge to move on.

TRUMP: Well, wait, but it's actual important. All I said was, they may acquire to avert themselves or they acquire to advice us out. We're a country that owes $20 trillion. They acquire to advice us out.

HOLT: Our last...

TRUMP: As far as the nuclear is concerned, I agree. It is the distinct greatest blackmail that this country has.

HOLT: Which leads to my abutting question, as we admission our aftermost articulation actuality (inaudible) the accountable of accepting America. On nuclear weapons, Admiral Obama reportedly advised alteration the nation's longstanding action on aboriginal use. Do you abutment the accustomed policy? Mr. Trump, you acquire two account on that.

TRUMP: Well, I acquire to say that, you know, for what Secretary Clinton was adage about nuclear with Russia, she's actual condescending in the way she talks about assorted countries. But Russia has been accretion their -- they acquire a abundant newer adequacy than we do. We acquire not been afterlight from the new standpoint.

I looked the added night. I was seeing B-52s, they're old abundant that your father, your grandfathering could be aerial them. We are not -- we are not befitting up with added countries. I would like everybody to end it, aloof get rid of it. But I would actually not do aboriginal strike.

I anticipate that already the nuclear addition happens, it's over. At the aforementioned time, we acquire to be prepared. I can't booty annihilation off the table. Because you attending at some of these countries, you attending at North Korea, we're accomplishing annihilation there. China should break that botheration for us. China should go into North Korea. China is actually able as it relates to North Korea.

And by the way, accession one able is the affliction accord I anticipate I've anytime apparent adjourned that you started is the Iran deal. Iran is one of their bigger trading partners. Iran has adeptness over North Korea.

And aback they fabricated that abhorrent accord with Iran, they should acquire included the actuality that they do commodity with account to North Korea. And they should acquire done commodity with account to Yemen and all these added places.

And aback asked to Secretary Kerry, why didn't you do that? Why didn't you add added things into the deal? One of the abundant giveaways of all time, of all time, including $400 actor in cash. Nobody's anytime apparent that before. That angry out to be wrong. It was actually $1.7 billion in cash, obviously, I assumption for the hostages. It actually looks that way.

So you say to yourself, why didn't they accomplish the appropriate deal? This is one of the affliction deals anytime fabricated by any country in history. The accord with Iran will advance to nuclear problems. All they acquire to do is sit aback 10 years, and they don't acquire to do much.

HOLT: Your two account is expired.

TRUMP: And they're action to end up accepting nuclear. I met with Bibi Netanyahu the added day. Acquire me, he's not a blessed camper.

HOLT: All right. Mrs. Clinton, Secretary Clinton, you acquire two minutes.

CLINTON: Well, let me -- let me alpha by saying, words matter. Words amount aback you run for president. And they actually amount aback you are president. And I appetite to assure our allies in Japan and South Korea and away that we acquire alternate aegis treaties and we will account them.

It is capital that America's chat be good. And so I apperceive that this advance has acquired some analytic and worries on the allotment of abounding leaders beyond the globe. I've talked with a cardinal of them. But I appetite to -- on account of myself, and I anticipate on account of a majority of the American people, say that, you know, our chat is good.

It's additionally important that we attending at the absolute all-around situation. There's no agnosticism that we acquire added problems with Iran. But personally, I'd rather accord with the added problems accepting put that lid on their nuclear affairs than still to be adverse that.

And Donald never tells you what he would do. Would he acquire started a war? Would he acquire austere Iran? If he's action to criticize a accord that has been actual acknowledged in giving us admission to Iranian accessories that we never had before, afresh he should acquaint us what his addition would be. But it's like his plan to defeat ISIS. He says it's a abstruse plan, but the alone abstruse is that he has no plan.

So we charge to be added absolute in how we allocution about these issues. Bodies about the chat chase our presidential campaigns so closely, aggravating to get hints about what we will do. Can they await on us? Are we action to advance the apple with backbone and in accordance with our values? That's what I intend to do. I intend to be a baton of our country that bodies can calculation on, both actuality at home and about the world, to accomplish decisions that will added accord and prosperity, but additionally angle up to bullies, whether they're away or at home.

We cannot let those who would try to destabilize the apple to baffle with American interests and security...

HOLT: Your two account is...

CLINTON: ... to be accustomed any opportunities at all.

HOLT: ... is expired.

TRUMP: Lester, one affair I'd like to say.

HOLT: Actual quickly. Twenty seconds.

TRUMP: I will go actual quickly. But I will acquaint you that Hillary will acquaint you to go to her website and apprehend all about how to defeat ISIS, which she could acquire defeated by never accepting it, you know, get action in the aboriginal place. Appropriate now, it's accepting tougher and tougher to defeat them, because they're in added and added places, added and added states, added and added nations.

HOLT: Mr. Trump...

TRUMP: And it's a big problem. And as far as Japan is concerned, I appetite to advice all of our allies, but we are accident billions and billions of dollars. We cannot be the policemen of the world. We cannot assure countries all over the world...

HOLT: We acquire just...

TRUMP: ... area they're not advantageous us what we need.

HOLT: We acquire aloof a few final questions...

TRUMP: And she doesn't say that, because she's got no business ability. We charge heart. We charge a lot of things. But you acquire to acquire some basal ability. And sadly, she doesn't acquire that. All of the things that she's talking about could acquire been taken affliction of during the aftermost 10 years, let's say, while she had abundant power. But they weren't taken affliction of. And if she anytime wins this race, they won't be taken affliction of.

HOLT: Mr. Trump, this year Secretary Clinton became the aboriginal woman nominated for admiral by a aloft party. Earlier this month, you said she doesn't have, quote, "a presidential look." She's continuing actuality appropriate now. What did you beggarly by that?

TRUMP: She doesn't acquire the look. She doesn't acquire the stamina. I said she doesn't acquire the stamina. And I don't acquire she does acquire the stamina. To be admiral of this country, you charge amazing stamina.

HOLT: The adduce was, "I aloof don't anticipate she has the presidential look."

TRUMP: You acquire -- delay a minute. Delay a minute, Lester. You asked me a question. Did you ask me a question?

You acquire to be able to accommodate our barter deals. You acquire to be able to negotiate, that's right, with Japan, with Saudi Arabia. I mean, can you imagine, we're arresting Saudi Arabia? And with all of the money they have, we're arresting them, and they're not paying? All you acquire to do is allege to them. Wait. You acquire so abounding altered things you acquire to be able to do, and I don't acquire that Hillary has the stamina.

HOLT: Let's let her respond. CLINTON: Well, as anon as he campaign to 112 countries and negotiates a accord deal, a cease-fire, a absolution of dissidents, an aperture of new opportunities in nations about the world, or alike spends 11 hours testifying in advanced of a aldermanic committee, he can allocution to me about stamina.

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TRUMP: The apple -- let me acquaint you. Let me acquaint you. Hillary has experience, but it's bad experience. We acquire fabricated so abounding bad deals during the aftermost -- so she's got experience, that I agree.

(APPLAUSE)

But it's bad, bad experience. Whether it's the Iran accord that you're so in adulation with, area we gave them $150 billion back, whether it's the Iran deal, whether it's annihilation you can -- name -- you about can't name a acceptable deal. I agree. She's got experience, but it's bad experience. And this country can't allow to acquire accession four years of that affectionate of experience.

HOLT: We are at -- we are at the final question.

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CLINTON: Well, one thing. One thing, Lester.

HOLT: Actual quickly, because we're at the final catechism now.

CLINTON: You know, he accustomed to about-face from looks to stamina. But this is a man who has alleged women pigs, slobs and dogs, and accession who has said abundance is an aggravation to employers, who has said...

TRUMP: I never said that.

CLINTON: .... women don't deserve according pay unless they do as acceptable a job as men.

TRUMP: I didn't say that.

CLINTON: And one of the affliction things he said was about a woman in a adorableness contest. He loves adorableness contests, acknowledging them and blind about them. And he alleged this woman "Miss Piggy." Afresh he alleged her "Miss Housekeeping," because she was Latina. Donald, she has a name.

TRUMP: Area did you acquisition this? Area did you acquisition this?

CLINTON: Her name is Alicia Machado.

TRUMP: Area did you acquisition this?

CLINTON: And she has become a U.S. citizen, and you can bet...

TRUMP: Oh, really? CLINTON: ... she's action to vote this November.

TRUMP: OK, good. Let me aloof acquaint you...

(APPLAUSE)

HOLT: Mr. Trump, could we aloof booty 10 abnormal and afresh we ask the final question...

TRUMP: You know, Hillary is hitting me with amazing commercials. Some of it's said in entertainment. Some of it's said -- somebody who's been actual abandoned to me, Rosie O'Donnell, I said actual boxy things to her, and I anticipate everybody would accede that she deserves it and cipher feels apologetic for her.

But you appetite to apperceive the truth? I was action to say something...

HOLT: Amuse actual quickly.

TRUMP: ... acutely asperous to Hillary, to her family, and I said to myself, "I can't do it. I aloof can't do it. It's inappropriate. It's not nice." But she spent hundreds of millions of dollars on abrogating ads on me, abounding of which are actually untrue. They're untrue. And they're misrepresentations.

And I will acquaint you this, Lester: It's not nice. And I don't deserve that.

But it's actually not a nice affair that she's done. It's hundreds of millions of ads. And the alone acceptable affair is, I saw the acclamation appear in today, and with all of that money...

HOLT: We acquire to move on to the final question.

TRUMP: ... $200 actor is spent, and I'm either acceptable or tied, and I've spent about nothing.

(APPLAUSE)

HOLT: One of you will not win this election. So my final catechism to you tonight, are you accommodating to acquire the aftereffect as the will of the voters? Secretary Clinton?

CLINTON: Well, I abutment our democracy. And sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. But I actually will abutment the aftereffect of this election.

And I apperceive Donald's aggravating actual adamantine to bulb doubts about it, but I achievement the bodies out there understand: This election's actually up to you. It's not about us so abundant as it is about you and your families and the affectionate of country and approaching you want. So I abiding achievement you will get out and vote as admitting your approaching depended on it, because I anticipate it does.

HOLT: Mr. Trump, actual quickly, aforementioned question. Will you acquire the aftereffect as the will of the voters? TRUMP: I appetite to accomplish America abundant again. We are a nation that is actively troubled. We're accident our jobs. Bodies are cloudburst into our country.

The added day, we were deporting 800 people. And conceivably they anesthetized the amiss button, they apprenticed the amiss button, or conceivably worse than that, it was corruption, but these bodies that we were action to deport for acceptable acumen concluded up acceptable citizens. Concluded up acceptable citizens. And it was 800. And now it turns out it adeptness be 1,800, and they don't alike know.

HOLT: Will you acquire the aftereffect of the election?

TRUMP: Look, here's the story. I appetite to accomplish America abundant again. I'm action to be able to do it. I don't acquire Hillary will. The acknowledgment is, if she wins, I will actually abutment her.

(APPLAUSE)

HOLT: All right. Well, that is action to do it for us. That concludes our agitation for this evening, a spirit one. We covered a lot of ground, not aggregate as I doubtable we would.

The abutting presidential debates are appointed for October 9th at Washington University in St. Louis and October 19th at the University of Nevada Las Vegas. The chat will continue.

A reminder. The carnality presidential <debate is appointed for October 4th at Longwood University in Farmville, Virginia. My acknowledgment to Hillary Clinton and to Donald Trump and to Hofstra University for hosting us tonight. Acceptable night, everyone.

 

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