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Regina N. Bradley, Ph.D., wears abounding hats: abettor assistant of African-American abstract at Armstrong State University in Savannah, Ga.; alum Nasir Jones Hip-Hop Fellow at Harvard University; Red Clay Scholar; and my sister SpottieOttieDopaliscious angel.

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Bradley has created a afterward alfresco the classroom with her Outkasted Conversations, a alarmingly acclaimed chat alternation committed to cerebration about the cultural and bookish implications of Outkast, one of the best advocate and admired hip-hop groups to anytime do it.

Bradley is accepted for active the blubbery borsch of aggregate atramentous adventures in the Abysmal South until it all blends perfectly, while Outkast provides the soundtrack.

It alone makes sense, then, that she would booty her adulation for Big Boi and Andre 3000 and actualize a chic at Armstrong State analytic the lyrics and vibing to the gems the Aquemini aggregation accept alone on us over the years.

“Outkast and the Rise of the Hip-Hop South” is an upperclassman English advance conceptualized by Bradley. In a one-on-one with Bradley, we altercate the iconic group, performances of masculinity, deep-fried cultural assembly and why the South will consistently accept article to say.

The Root: The South has article to say! In hip-hop, it’s generally abashed as is a lot of cultural assembly from the South. Why did you feel it was important to agitate that amount off?

Regina N. Bradley: Don’t we?!

I capital to advise this chic because I assuredly had abundant receipts to do it: Ph.D., affidavit of bookish rigor, all that acceptable stuff. Outkast was cardinal for me in compassionate who I was as a adolescent atramentous Southerner. Their music was a springboard for compassionate the complication of actuality young, atramentous and Southern: We could be joyous, we could be spiritual, we could be crank and bellow ass, or we could aloof be chill.

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Outkast consistently had an eye on the accomplished and a bottom in the future. My Outkast chic helps assignment through that loaded question: What does it beggarly to be Southern and atramentous afterwards the civilian rights movement, aback the movement is non-Southern folks’ go-to social-historical ambience for defining a “contemporary” American South?

TR: Outkast was authoritative it apparent in “Aquemini” aback Andre said, “Now question: Is every nigga with dreads for the cause? Is every nigga with golds for the fall? Naw. So don’t get bent up in appearance.”

Can you allocution a little bit about that and how the policing of atramentous bodies and achievement leads to state-sanctioned violence, but additionally this abstraction that you accept to talk, dress, act a assertive “respectable” way to escape how white supremacy pathologizes blackness?

RNB: I anticipate I wore Aquemini and its appellation clue out. I saw them accomplish “Aquemini” at their alliance shows, and that moment was aloof so intimate. I acquainted like I was eavesdropping.

Anyway, policing and achievement of atramentous association runs aggressive everywhere, but it’s abnormally amplified in the South. Aback I was growing up, my grandparents, abnormally my grandmother, paid added absorption to how I looked, how loud I talked and if I acclimated able grammar, how I interacted with white association like my teachers, everything. They came of age during Jim Crow, so self-policing was a adaptation address added than a arresting mechanism.

More than anything, I admiration in this accepted amusing altitude if there is a homesickness for that blazon of appropriateness policing. Wearing a clothing and a blooper and a brim that hit aloof at the knee meant you had on the abounding armor of God to change the world. But alike the straightest clothing and starchiest slacks didn’t stop you from accepting your ass whooped in the name of change. What this accepted moment is assuming us is that there is no allowance to be admirable and be angry. How do you dress up rage? MLK and Malcolm X dressed up acerbity in a suit. Luther the Translator from Key & Peele was dressed-up rage.

I acquisition myself acceptable added absorbed in this catechism and how it manifests in pop culture. Aback we gon’ accept that policing and white supremacy are skinfolks and kinfolks? There’s a abysmal advance on both abandon of what it agency to be admirable and black.

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Thinking about Outkast, they were policed in hip-hop—gatekeepers who didn’t appetite to anticipate about the South, so they absitively Outkast wasn’t fit and approved to boo them off hip-hop’s stage—literally at the 1995 Source Awards. Big Rube’s delivery of Outkast as an acronym—Operating Under the Krooked American System Too Long—in the breach “True Dat” from Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik additionally batten to blame aback adjoin connected narratives of advance for atramentous folks.

And Outkast bankrupt abroad from the cookie-cutter mold: fashion, lyricism, production, sound, everything. My takeaway is we charge to breach abroad from akin binaries of appearance (il)legible atramentous bodies in protest. Dreads, fronts, saggin’ baggin’ britches, weaves or ’fros. We all (need to be) tryna get free.

TR: “SpottieOttieDopaliscious” is apparently one of my admired ’kast songs because it speaks to that sweaty, sexy, juke joint, aphotic nightlife area bender and accent meet. I can’t anticipate of anywhere abroad that embodies this added than Atlanta. And the accomplishments of “Damn, damn, damn, James” centers atramentous affliction and adulation and nostalgia, creating this affectionate of catharsis—as the exhausted drops.

What is your admired Outkast song and why?

RNB: I’mma aloof booty your acknowledgment and ride with it. [Laughs.] Alike admitting I accept a ’kast song for about every anniversary of my life—“B.O.B.” for those Olympic sprints to the aftermost cafeteria of the day in aerial school; my bedmate allure me with “Prototype,” and our aboriginal addition as affiliated bodies was “International Players Anthem”—my two admired Outkast songs anytime are “In Due Time” from the Soul Food soundtrack and “Liberation” from Aquemini. “In Due Time” got me through seventh grade. I was atrociously afraid because, well, I was an outcast. My association couldn’t allow name-brand clothes, and I was hitting advance spurts.

Middle academy is a action ground, and average academy girls who are starting to aroma themselves are vicious. The choir abnormally adequate my spirit. “Liberation” was my go-to aback I was dissertating and my grandfather—my Paw Paw—was transitioning afterwards a action with leukemia. He was my superman, and to watch him and be helpless, it hurt. I capital to booty all his burdens, agitate his amount off, like the endless times he’d done for me. And all I could do was authority his hand.

I watched my hero and my adulation dying, so that bendable piano and rainstick cried for me aback I couldn’t cry for myself.

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TR: Atramentous women in hip-hop, alike the pioneers, and atramentous women who adulation hip-hop accept been objectified, but additionally placed in this queen-whore bifold that doesn’t leave a lot of allowance for the abounding announcement of womanhood. Do you altercate Outkast and gender in your class? I’m accurately cerebration about Sasha Thumper and the altered means that Big Boi and Andre accouterment the issue.

RNB: Chile, I address about Sasha Thumper at breadth in my book Chronicling Stankonia. Sasha Thumper reminds me so abundant of what Anna Julia Cooper said about Southern atramentous women and girls actuality “that large, bright, able fatally admirable chic that angle shivering.” Wow. Sasha Thumper’s vulnerability, the action to abide alive, her ultimate demise, haunts me and how I anticipate about the representation of Southern atramentous women in girls in the assignment of association like Kiese Laymon, Jesmyn Ward and Sanderia Faye.

You can’t allocution about Outkast after talking about their analysis and advance in how they appearance atramentous women. You can articulation it to accessible activity milestones, i.e., the bearing of Big Boi’s babe Jordan and Andre’s absurd boating with a Ms. [Erykah] Badu. They still accept their misogynistic moments.

Dr. Treva B. Lindsey blithely labels it accordant misogyny—but there is apparent growth. Andre’s acquisitive and claimed exposés off The Adulation Below, for example, are ashore in the existential catechism of area he fits into atramentous women’s lives and experiences, not carnality versa. There’s additionally the catechism of atramentous women’s amusement and joy, which is apparent sonically in their assignment in actual arresting ways.

TR: I charge to sit in on your class! What do you appetite the takeaway to be for your students?

RNB: It is a claim everybody enrolled in the advance become a fan of the ’kast by the end of the semester. [Laughs.] Nah, but seriously, I achievement to aggrandize students’ perspectives on the acceptation of accepted ability as a armpit of interrogation. They’ll be practicing analytical reading, autograph and alert abilities that can be translated into job skills. Go amount [insert Prince aporetic face here].

Check out Regina N. Bradley’s Outkasted Conversations alternation here.

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