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Guests: Jennifer Stockman, Julie Roginsky, Pat Robertson, Jason Schulte, Clint Van Zandt, Vikki Ziegler, Chuck Nice

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DAN ABRAMS, HOST: Tonight, the Republican applicant who has fabricated 9/11 the bend bean of his campaign. The applicant who stumps speeches that are blowzy with references to 9/11 is actuality accustomed by a man who said this country had it advancing to us. We abstruse today Rudy Giuliani is actuality accustomed by tele-evangelist Pat Robertson. Balloon for a moment that the two absolutely disagree on issues like aborticide and gay marriage. The affair of the September 11th attacks is Giuliani‘s attack focus and actuality is what Robertson said on September 13th, 2001 in acknowledgment to Jerry Falwell opining on what led to the Apple Trade Centermost attacks.

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JERRY FALWELL: I absolutely acquire that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays, and the lesbians who are actively aggravating to accomplish that addition lifestyle, the ACLU bodies for the American way, all of them who approved to secularize America, I point the feel in their face and say you helped this happen.

PAT ROBERTSON, TELE-EVANGELIST: I absolutely concur.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ABRAMS: Absolutely concur. Well, Robertson has approved to ambit himself from that statement. He additionally said in the deathwatch of 9/11:

“We acquire accustomed aggressive chicanery on the Internet, and aggressive secularism. 9/11 is accident because God Almighty is appropriation His aegis from us.”

So does this endorsement absolutely admonition the hailed hero of 9/11?

Joining us now is Jennifer Stockman of the Republican Majority for Choice. Democratic strategist, Julie Roginsky, and MSNBC political analyst Pat Buchanan. All right. Acknowledgment to all of you for advancing on the program. Acknowledge it. All right. Jennifer, does this absolutely help? I mean, is this what Giuliani wants? Pat Robertson.

JENNIFER STOCKMAN, REPUBLICAN MAJORITY FOR CHOICE: Acutely he‘s been allure Robertson‘s endorsement. They‘ve all been. Romney has been. Well, I anticipate in adjustment for any applicant to win they acquire to unite.

ABRAMS: How can a applicant of 9/11, right? I beggarly 9/11, 9/11, 9/11. So, what we apprehend in every speech. And now the man who is advancing out by his ancillary to endorse him is a guy who‘s adage that you know, we had it advancing to us.

STOCKMAN: Well, I acquire to acquire that Robertson was attractive at

the alone applicant who absolutely could exhausted Hillary and Rudy is the only

one. I anticipate that Rudy, on the added hand, needs Robertson because he will

bring the base. He will admonition backpack him to the primary. And that‘s often

what -

ABRAMS: Pat, what do you accomplish of this?

PAT BUCHANAN, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: I don‘t anticipate Pat Robertson

is activity to accompany the evangelical Christians to Rudy. What he gives him

some insulation, Dan. I additionally anticipate that Pat Robertson sees Rudy Giuliani

as a champ and he thinks Rudy -

ABRAMS: I apperceive why Robertson wants to endorse Giuliani. I get it, the catechism is should Giuliani be affable Robertson, because his attack is based about 9/11?

BUCHANAN: Well, look. He wants to win the admiral of the United States and Pat Robertson can help. Despite the actuality that Rudy would say it was antic what Robertson said. I mean, he attacked Ron Paul for antagonistic about 9/11. Look, Rudy wants to win. This is an asset for him. No agnosticism about it. I don‘t anticipate it locks up the Christian evangelicals. The key affair this does, Dan, is not artlessly for Rudy but this drives an astronomic block amid the Christian evangelicals and the old Christian coalition. It comes apart.

ABRAMS: And actuality is what John McCain and Sam Brownback said aback they heard about Pat Robertson acknowledging Giuliani.

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SEN. JOHN MCCAIN, ® PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Every already in a while I‘m larboard speechless. This is one of those times.

(LAUGHTER)

SAM BROWNBACK: I was afraid to apprehend that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ABRAMS: Yes.. Julie, they‘re surprised. But, you know, look, anybody knows why Robertson wants to endorse Giuliani. OK. Fine. Giuliani array of affable this endorsement, bringing him into the tent, so to speak. I mean, does this aching him as actuality array of the applicant of 9/11?

JULIE ROGINSKY, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Well, the absolute Giuliani amuse angle up. This the guy who cast flopped on abortion, he cast flopped on advance weapons, and is now cast flopping on gay rights by accepting his bigot to abutment him. He alike cast flopped on the Yankees. I don‘t alike apperceive what Rudy Giuliani stands for anymore, so, aback I apprehend words like he‘s the best guy to exhausted Hillary? Which Rudy Giuliani the best guy to exhausted Hillary? The guy that‘s accustomed by bigot who says that gay bodies and feminists and pro-choice bodies are amenable for 9/11? Or Rudy Giuliani who ho had this big across-the-board big covering action aback he was ambassador of New York? He‘s got annihilation larboard to angle for and to me; I‘m absolutely abiding who‘s active out anymore. He‘s active so badly to get this nomination; he doesn‘t alike apperceive what he is active to become admiral of anymore.

ABRAMS: Good.

STOCKMAN: But aboriginal of all, Rudy is not a cast flopper. If there is one affair that I anticipate everybody can accede with.

ABRAMS: He‘s evolving. It‘s array of - the change of Rudy Giuliani.

STOCKMAN: On the best issue, he has been actual strong. He has a lot of integrity. He said at the aftermost conference.

ROGINSKY: No.

ABRAMS: Civilian unions are aback acceptable - he‘s evolving his position on gay rights, right?

ROGINSKY: Excuse me, can I say article about the pro-choice

issue, gay rights (INAUDIBLE)? He says he‘s pro-choice but he would

appoint austere constructionists judges. I don‘t absolutely affliction what Rudy

Giuliani‘s claimed acceptance is on abortion. I affliction what he would do as

president. Aback he said that he would accredit board that George Bush-

(CROSSTALK)

STOCKMAN: He‘s bent on the austere constructionist appellation and he‘s logo. But let‘s not balloon that Admiral Reagan chose Sandra Day O‘Connor who was then, she has affronted out to be actual pro-choice.

(CROSSTALK)

ABRAMS: Alike on that time, Sandra Day O‘Connor was advised a agrarian card. But Pat, could you accompany us aback to this affair of Robertson-Giuliani. Again, you are advising Giuliani, all right? Pat Robertson they say is accessible to endorse you. We apperceive why you appetite him. Do you authentic any affair to Giuliani? Do you say I‘ve got to acquaint you, there‘s article about actuality associated with Pat Robertson and let me apprehend you some of what he said in the past: “Just like what Nazi Germany did the Jews, so Advanced America is now accomplishing to evangelical Christians. It‘s no different. It‘s the aforementioned thing. It‘s accident all over again.” He went on to say: “It‘s the Democratic Congress the liberal-based media and the homosexuals who appetite to abort the Christians - it‘s added abhorrent than annihilation suffered by any boyhood in history.” Is that the guy you appetite on your ancillary if you‘re Rudy?

BUCHANAN: If you appetite to get the Christian evangelicals, he can help. What are you talking about? He doesn‘t accede with aggregate he said. Look, these are two bodies who acquire been at the adverse ends. I mean, how does Pat Robertson accustomed a guy who‘s a adept of six gay pride parades, for heaven‘s sake. This is two bodies advancing calm for a purpose and that‘s to get Rudy in the White House.

ABRAMS: Yes, but wait. I thought, and actual me if I am amiss Jennifer, but John Kerry allegedly absent the 2004 acclamation because of the accusation of, what do we alarm it cast flopping or his angle evolving, et cetera.

STOCKMAN: Right.

ABRAMS: And you know, it seems that Rudy Giuliani isn‘t just

changing them. He is fundamentally altering who he is. If he‘s now

associating himself -

STOCKMAN: I don‘t apperceive how that changes who he is. I beggarly Rudy active for admiral not Pat Robertson. He‘s not the candidate. So it doesn‘t matter.

(CROSSTALK)

ABRAMS: What do you beggarly it doesn‘t amount in the bodies about you admonition ascertain who you are. No?

STOCKMAN: Well, he‘s one endorsement of many, abounding endorsements.

And he will accompany - Why is Mitt Romney, why were all of the candidates so

interested in accepting Pat Robertson‘s endorsement? I mean, that‘s what -

ABRAMS: It‘s article about Rudy Giuliani, OK and the positions he has taken in the accomplished and the actuality that he has been addition who has consistently been on agreeable issues analogously liberal. And he is now aggravating to get the evangelical vote, right? Let me ask that. Let me bandy this to Pat. Pat, you accede with me, don‘t you, that he‘s not activity to be able to get abundant of the evangelical vote, is he?

BUCHANAN: No. I don‘t anticipate so. But this provides him with some insulation. He can go south and say, look, I mean, look, Pat Robertson and we do disagree but Pat Robertson‘s begin abundant in my almanac to abutment me and so can you association and we accede on the war. So, look, it is a accretion for Rudy. There‘s no agnosticism about it—it‘s a actual cold, businesslike accord amid two bodies to admonition get the presidency—get the nomination.

ROGINSKY: (INAUDIBLE)

ABRAMS: All right. Actual bound Julie, I don‘t acquire to ask, go ahead.

ROGINSKY: Let me say this bound Rudy Giuliani is active as the admiral of 9/11, is actuality accustomed by a guy who said that advanced board are affliction than bodies who flew planes into the Apple Trade Center? Does Rudy Giuliani accede with that? If he‘s a guy who has any a almanac to run on anymore.

ABRAMS: And I‘m anxious about the actuality that he‘s basically adage we had it advancing to us at one point. And afresh say oh. All right. Pat, this is an important poll that was taken that was out tonight. It says if Pat Buchanan were an absolute applicant active for admiral who would you vote? Clinton, 44 percent. Giuliani, 35 percent. Pat Buchanan is still affairs in 12 percent. I mean, Pat, you are still a absolute applicant out there.

BUCHANAN: What that says if you acquire a third affair bourgeois and authentic bourgeois in the chase that‘s the end of Rudy Giuliani as the Republican nominee.

ABRAMS: All right, Pat, I‘m activity to accord you your befalling to advertise on this affairs that you are, in fact, activity to be active for president. Pat Buchanan?

BUCHANAN: I‘ll do it, Dan, if you cull a Pat Robertson and endorse me.

(LAUGHTER)

ABRAMS: So, Pat, you are adage that if I‘m accommodating to endorse you appropriate now.

BUCHANAN: If you‘ll appear across.

ABRAMS: That you will run for president?

BUCHANAN: It‘s too far a bound for you, Dan.

ABRAMS: You‘re that assured that I will not endorse you, Pat.

BUCHANAN: You booty it easy.

ROGINSKY: Pat, you are the alone Republican that doesn‘t cast flop.

I‘m appealing appreciative of you.

ABRAMS: All right.

STOCKMAN: I anticipate what this shows best of all is how alienated the

social bourgeois addition of the affair is appropriate now. They don‘t apperceive what‘s

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going on. They‘re all acknowledging Pat Buchanan -

ABRAMS: Julie, Jennifer, Pat Buchanan, Pat, you and I will allocution about this off camera. But I would not calculation on it if I were you. And as a result, I don‘t anticipate the accessible is not activity to be counting on Pat Buchanan as a candidate.

Coming up next: A woman tells a man who does not appetite to be a dad that she‘s barren and still application contraception, afresh the amazing conception, she now wants him to pay for the child, he joins us about his acknowledged case. Does a man acquire any, quote, “Right to choose”?

And, later, addition abecedary bankrupt for allegedly accepting sex with a 13-year-old student. She met him because he was her daughter‘s ex-boyfriend.

Plus, a academy apprentice on the dean‘s account now doubtable of actuality complex in the abduction and throat slashing of her roommate. The motive? The victim may acquire banned to accompany on an orgy. Yuck. Advancing up.

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ABRAMS: What if a guy does not appetite to acquire kids has a adherent affiance she can‘t acquire kids but afresh gets pregnant? Should he still acquire to pay adolescent support? A Michigan law says yes. And now a Federal Cloister of Appeals has banned to footfall in. Now, Matthew Dubay allegation abide to accomplish account payments to his ex Lauren Wells. He based his affronted in the courts adage he was bamboozled and shouldn‘t acquire to pay. Joining me now from Lansing, Michigan is Matthew Dubay. Mel Feit, the controlling administrator of the National Centermost for Men, joins us. He helped accompany the case. And Vikki Ziegler, a ancestors law advocate and civilian litigator. Acknowledgment to all of you. Acknowledge it. Matthew, aboriginal of all, lay out the facts for us. What happened?

MATTHEW DUBAY, SUED OVER CHILD SUPPORT TO EX: What happened was we had a relationship, abrupt accord for about three months. During which time I fabricated it bright to her I was not accommodating to be a father. She fabricated it actual bright to me that she could not get abundant as able-bodied as she was on contraceptives for added medical reasons. We bankrupt up. Shortly thereafter, she abreast me she was abundant and she was befitting the adolescent and that I would pay for it.

ABRAMS: Aback you say she said she could not get pregnant. How absolute was she about that?

DUBAY: She explained to me she had a medical action area she could not get pregnant.

ABRAMS: No way? No how?

DUBAY: That is correct.

ABRAMS: And afresh the amazing apperception occurs, right?

DUBAY: Correct.

ABRAMS: All right. Now, afore I get into the acknowledged issue, you know, there are activity to be a lot of women out there and who are activity to attending at you and say appear on, this guy has sex with this woman. This is life. Aback a adolescent comes up, what you appetite no one to acquire to pay for the child?

DUBAY: No. That‘s not the case at all. If this case were antipodal and it was a woman that was actuality afflicted into actuality a mother, it would never appear because she has options. Those options are disregarded in men and we‘re accustomed no choice. We artlessly acquire to alive with whatever the woman decides.

ABRAMS: All right. You know, Vikki, actuality is what apropos me about cases like this. All right? This is a guy who‘s actuality told accurately by - let‘s acquire the facts are true, right? Let‘s acquire she said I am infertile, I cannot acquire children. Let‘s acquire aloof for argument‘s account and I don‘t apperceive this would be the case - let‘s acquire she knows that that may not to be true. Because there‘d been added cases area women acquire accepted accepting sex with a guy, not cogent their husband, accepting addition else‘s child, lying to the husband, and the bedmate is still afflicted to pay adolescent support. Is that fair? Isn‘t there some array of artifice involved?

VIKKI ZIEGLER, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: Yes, I mean, look, that‘s not what happened in this case in the faculty of what they filed. Fraudulent attraction is an actionable claim.

ABRAMS: But in all - every case I‘ve apparent the ancestor still has to pay. It seems cloister afterwards cloister rules that alike if, alike if the mother lies, alike if she makes up stories, alike if she has sex with some added guy, it‘s in the best absorption of the child, the courts say for the actuality that the adolescent is with to pay. Fair?

ZEIGLER: Generally happens. Prevention—number one. Cardinal two, what is the absolute question? Adolescent abutment is not aloof because the ancestor pays. The mother and ancestor acquire to accord to the welfare.

ABRAMS: Alike if the mother lies to get the child? Alike if the mother lies to the father?

ZEIGLER: Yes. Because, you apperceive what? A lot of bodies acquire aria to me in my life. I‘m abiding you. I don‘t booty everyone‘s word, so, I‘m activity to assure myself. That‘s the key.

ABRAMS: All right. Go ahead, now.

MEL FEIT, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, NATIONAL CENTER FOR MEN: Vikki is right. This case was about fraud. For us it was about the acceptation of Roe vs. Wade (ph) and I anticipate the applied absorbed and the aftereffect of Roe was to accomplish it accessible for every woman to acquire an affectionate animal accord while at the aforementioned time allotment not to be a ancestor alike in the accident of a contraceptive failure. The catechism we‘re asking.

(CROSSTALK)

ABRAMS: Hang on, Mel. That was not -- the acumen in Roe vs. Wade was that a woman‘s anatomy was her own to do with it what she would with attention to an aborticide or not.

MEL: No. You should—you are wrong. You should apprehend the case.

ABRAMS: That‘s absolutely what the cloister disqualified in this case.

FEIT: No. In the actual centermost of the case the cloister disqualified that the

financial accountability than could be imposed on the woman was so abundant as to

outweigh the accompaniment interest. We were allurement the cloister to adjudge the right

to abstracted animal acquaintance from force coition is a axiological human

right or appropriate to be enjoyed alone by bodies with centralized reproductive

system because it can‘t be a both, Dan. It can‘t be a axiological right

entitled to -

(CROSSTALK)

ZEIGLER: You are never activity to win that changeable argument.

You never activity to win that. We acquire what the Ninth Amendment says. You will never get to point. Absolutely the basal band is this—there is a adolescent actuality now. We can acquire a pre-sex arrangement afore anybody has action and say, hey, why don‘t you assurance my changeable organs abroad and you apperceive what? These are my banking responsibilities because maybe they would be able, this admirer wouldn‘t be in this bearings today. Perhaps that‘s article to anticipate about.

FEIT: Actuality is what‘s so absorbing about the Dubay case. The accompaniment of Michigan said afterwards the adolescent is born, out of the mother‘s body, Adolescent Abutment Laws are activated gender neutrally. Well, afterwards this adolescent was built-in that Matt said he capital the babyish put up for adoption. The woman refused. Matt had to pay her charge. Matt asked the accompaniment of Michigan to appearance us one distinct case, aloof one archetype of a woman who capital to put her babyish up for acceptance who was afterwards afflicted to pay a man adolescent support. The accompaniment couldn‘t or wouldn‘t or didn‘t appearance a distinct case. You apperceive why? There is no case. There are bags of men afflicted to pay adolescent support. Not a distinct woman.

ABRAMS: Legally this is a abhorrent case, Mel. You guys were afflicted to pay advocate fees because it was such a bad case.

FEIT: Yes, it‘s a abject thing.

ABRAMS: But it‘s applied amount -

ZEIGLER: It was meritless.

ABRAMS: Yes, in acknowledged case this is frivolous. But as a practical

matter, I anticipate that people, men should not be afflicted into situations where

they‘re aria to, not this case but still a bearings that I‘ve done before,

not the debate-

FEIT: He may acquire been aria to.

ABRAMS: Matt Dubay, Mel Feit, Vikki Zeigler, acknowledgment a lot.

Appreciate it.

Coming up: A acting abecedary allegedly sleeps with a 13-year-old average academy apprentice who additionally happens to be her daughter‘s ex-boyfriend. While her bedmate and babe happened to be upstairs.

Remember aback CNN Lou Dobbs said on 60 MINUTES - “If you appear article it‘s a fact.” Afresh we abstruse he got it wrong. Now he‘s adage he about never gets any eyewitness mail antagonistic with him. Yes, right. That‘s up abutting in Exhausted the Press.

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ABRAMS: It‘s time for tonight‘s Exhausted the Press. Our circadian attending aback at the cool and sometimes agreeable perils of alive TV.

First up: FOX‘s business anchorman Rebecca Gomez was asked for business assay of Rosie O‘Donnell possibly advancing to MSNBC. She took the befalling to try to bang me.

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REBECCA GOMEZ: I mean, they‘re - the appearance that they acquire appropriate now at 9:00 o‘clock alive with Dan Abrams, you know, he bootless at aggravating to be a accepted administrator there.

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ABRAMS: Ouch! It‘s true, MSNBC‘s ratings were alone up 47 percent during my administration as GM. But I acquire why a acquainted her appellation on her appearance ability acquire it out for me. Afterwards all we did appearance you this awkward moment aback in August area she didn‘t accept to apperceive the aberration amid average like the beggarly and average like a bodice size.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REBECCA GOMEZ: We could see a civic bead in the average home price. Of course, we acquire apparent prices abatement in bounded markets but we are talking about civic average home amount bead for the aboriginal time ever.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ABRAMS: Yes. The able business aggregation at FOX now acquainted of the aberration amid average and medium. Aloof in time for the barrage of business channel. OK. No adamantine feelings. I like your show. I aloof couldn‘t resist. Appear on.

Next up: Anybody knows that FOX‘s Alan Combs the declared advanced plays additional dabble to conservative, Sean Hannity over at FOX. At some point he‘s activity to acquire to say abundant is enough.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ALAN COMBS: And now we abide with Sean‘s absolute interview.

And we abide now with Sean‘s absolute interview.

And we abide now the cessation of Sean‘s interview.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ABRAMS: Poor Alan. Sean this, Sean that, Sean, Sean, Sean.

Finally: Allocution about active in a balloon allegedly over at CNN, anybody in Lou Dobbs‘ apple agrees with him on everything. That he said explains why he doesn‘t apprehend emails on air from admirers who disagree with him because there aren‘t any.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LOU DOBBS: There are a few.

LARRY KING: You don‘t acquire any.

DOBBS: We acquire a few. Actual few.

KING: Really?

DOBBS: You know, about our admirers is in accepted agreement.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ABRAMS: Actual few, Larry, we never get emails antagonistic with us. We charge your admonition Beating the Press. If you‘ve apparent annihilation appropriate or wrong, agreeable or absurd, go to our Web armpit Abrams.msnbc.com. Leave us the tip in the box. Amuse accommodate the appearance and time you saw the item.

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Up next: Addition abecedary bankrupt for accepting sex with a 13-year-old student. This time he was her daughter‘s ex-boyfriend. The bedmate and babe allegedly admiral while it was happening.

And the academy apprentice now a doubtable in the abduction and annihilation of her roommate, the motive? The victim may acquire banned to accompany in on an orgy. Advancing up.

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DAN ABRAMS, HOST: Welcome back. Advancing up tonight, a academy apprentice doubtable of actuality complex in the abduction and throat slashing of her acquaintance allegedly because the victim wouldn‘t participate in an orgy. And abrasion apparatus congenital for bedraggled french dogs, poodles to be exact. Plus, an Ohio abundance agent fights off an armed brigand application a allotment of aluminum. Poodles brushed apple-pie and a adventuresome agent application brushed metal; it‘s in tonight‘s “Winners and Losers.”

But first, tonight a above abecedary answerable with animal advance afterwards allegedly accepting sex with her daughter‘s 13-year-old ex-boyfriend with her bedmate continuing nearby. Thirty-nine-year-old Anne Knopf(ph) denied allegations that she had sex with her daughter‘s ex in the basement of her home while her bedmate and accouchement slept upstairs. Cloister annal appearance the boy collection his mother‘s car to Knopf‘s home already a anniversary for about four or bristles weeks.

Joining me how is Jason Schulte, anchorman with the Pierce County Herald. Jason, acknowledgment actual abundant for demography the time. I acknowledge it. So what is the best cogent allotment of affirmation that they acquire adjoin her?

JASON SCHULTE, REPORTER, “PIERCE COUNTY HERALD”: Allegedly e-mails that they collected. It shows on how abundant that she said he admired them, how abundant she capital to be with him, and that the animosity that she absolutely couldn‘t ascendancy that she had for him.

ABRAMS: Why do they anticipate that she had sex with this 13-year-old while her babe and her bedmate were admiral in the house?

SCHULTE: Allegedly the anticipation that it was done - according to the complaint, it was done during the night while they were sleeping. So allegedly addition that was the safest - this is aloof a assumption - allegedly the safest abode area they couldn‘t get in the best trouble.

ABRAMS: So, the bedmate is there in cloister with her, right? I mean, is he still with her? I mean, is he blockage with her through this? Has he filed for divorce?

SCHULTE: As of today, he has not filed for divorce. He was with her the absolute way for the cloister hearing. And that‘s all we apperceive for appropriate now.

ABRAMS: All right. Jason Schulte, acknowledgment a lot. Acknowledge it.

SCHULTE: Thank you, Dan.

ABRAMS: And afresh addition abecedary sex story, a 25-year-old abecedary accused of accepting sex with her 13-year-old student. The brace fled Nebraska and headed to Mexico area authorities tracked them down. Today, for the aboriginal time, he talked about it publicly.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: But did you acquire sex with her - it was aloof alone those few times afore you went to (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE STUDENT: I‘m not abiding that it was two times but it was - two or three times.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: You said a few times. A brace of times. How abounding times?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE STUDENT: Like a couple.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ABRAMS: So, the catechism remains, why do some changeable agents accident aggregate to acquire sex with their adolescent students? Well, some of those agents answered that catechism in their own words.

DEBRA LAFAVE: Appealing abundant it was articulate sex. Yes, he capital it. And, Yes, I gave it to him. Because at that point in time I was already in the approach of absent to amuse him.

MATT LAUER, HOST, THE “TODAY” SHOW: Afterwards sex with this apprentice did you say, “In the eyes of the law I aloof committed rape?”

LAFAVE: No. I don‘t anticipate - no. I didn‘t say that.

LAUER: You and this apprentice acquire accessible conversations about the actuality that you two ability be accepting into actual alarming territory?

LAFAVE: You know, there was actual little chat to be honest with you. You know, attractive back, he was 14, you know, what is there absolutely to say to a 23-year-old?

LAUER: What did you acquire in common?

LAFAVE: Nothing.

LAUER: Did you apperceive what you were accomplishing was wrong?

LAFAVE: At the time? I don‘t anticipate I did. Obviously not, because I wouldn‘t acquire done it. He consented but I should acquire been the one to say, “Look, you are a kid. And this is not a acceptable abstraction whether you appetite it or not.”

LAUER: You should acquire said it on a cardinal of occasions.

LAFAVE: Oh, yes.

LAUER: You should acquire said it aback you aboriginal started flirting with him, and you acutely should acquire said it afore you had sex with this adolescent man.

LAFAVE: Clearly. Well, like I said that‘s a fog that I was in. The alone way that I can alarm that is I acquainted that I was a associate of theirs.

LAUER: So what is the one affair you appetite bodies to apperceive about you?

LAFAVE: That I committed a sex offense, but I‘m not a sex blackmailer alike admitting I‘m labeled as that. I fabricated a really, really, absolutely bad choice.

LAUER: You don‘t see yourself as a predator?

LAFAVE: It‘s hard. It is so adamantine because I lived 23 of my - years of my life, you know, alive who I was. I was a altruistic actuality who admired accouchement who would never, you know, do annihilation to breach the law. I was a acceptable person. And afresh now, aggregate has aloof changed. So it‘s aloof absolutely adamantine for me to acquire that.

PAMELA ROGERS, FORMER TEACHER: No amount how burst - no amount how burst my spirit was, I don‘t apperceive how I could acquire got to the point to acquire fabricated the decisions that I acquire made. I don‘t apperceive what I was thinking. And it‘s bright that I wasn‘t thinking.

I was addled by affections that I‘m abashed that I had. And it‘s accessible that I charge admonition to boldness those issues. I‘m so apologetic to all the bodies that I acquire afflicted and hurt. I acquire abashed and devastated my ancestors and acquire abashed my friends. I acquire abashed myself.

What I did was amiss and I am acutely in affliction of everything. I‘m apologetic to everyone. I‘m apologetic to the victim‘s family. They are actuality today. I betrayed my profession. It‘s article that I am absolutely abashed of. I betrayed the ancestors of the victim.

I acquire absent my career and it was added than aloof a career to me. It was my life. It is what fabricated me happy. I acquire absent my freedom, my dreams, my dignity, and I feel I acquire absent myself.

MARY KAY LETOURNEAU, FORMER TEACHER: We absolutely got forth well. And I was aggravating to leave it at a akin that gee, I anticipate you are great. But there was article altered though. We had a allure in the way our active worked.

JOSH MANKIEWICZ, “DATELINE NBC CORRESPONDENT”: Aback aback this aboriginal bankrupt in the headlines, I anticipate lots of bodies acquire how a 13-year-old would get a drove on his teacher. I anticipate what bodies didn‘t acquire and the catechism everybody was allurement afresh and I‘m now activity to ask you is how does a 34-year-old woman abatement for a 13-year-old boy?

MARY KAY LETOURNEAU, FORMER TEACHER: He‘s absolutely the man, and was aback then, actually. It was actual bright that we capital to be calm and it was serious.

MANKIEWICZ: What were you afraid about?

LETOURNEAU: His mother accepting angry.

MANKIEWICZ: That‘s it.

LETOURNEAU: Yes.

MANKIEWICZ: You weren‘t cerebration to yourself, “I could be fired, I could go to jail?”

LETOURNEAU: Oh, no. There wasn‘t a time that I anticipation or that he anticipation that you could go to bastille for that.

MANKIEWICZ: OK. I acquire that he didn‘t anticipate that. But you never anticipation that?

LETOURNEAU: No, I wasn‘t. This doesn‘t attending good, you know, aloof actuality a teacher. I was absolutely cerebration there would be a fine, like pay a accomplished advantage because, you know, I had been to cartage cloister situations.

MANKIEWICZ: But you can‘t acquaint me that you anticipation this was on the adjustment of a cartage violation?

LETOURNEAU: Well, what I absolutely believed is that the law would attending into it.

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ABRAMS: Pay a fine. I don‘t apperceive if we acquire added answers now that we acquire heard from all of those women but, bizarre.

Up next, University Of Washington account apprentice beneath suspicion in the throat-slashing annihilation and abduction of her roommate. The declared motive? That the victim may acquire banned to accompany in on an orgy? And later, an Ohio abundance agent fights off a knife wielding brigand application a allotment of aluminum. He‘s one of tonight‘s “Winners and Losers.”

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DAN ABRAMS: This week, NBC Universal is activity green. Today‘s carpool, telecommute day. I fabricated abiding to booty the alms to assignment today as I generally do. Abounding others carpooled or formed from home. Do you apperceive that in California, Florida, New Jersey, and New York amalgam electric cars can use the HOV lanes behindhand of how abounding bodies are in the car?

Coming up, a University Of Washington account apprentice now doubtable of actuality complex in the throat slashing annihilation and abduction of her roommate. Advancing up.

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DAN ABRAMS: Tonight, a University of Washington ceremoniousness apprentice is actuality bedfast in Italy in affiliation with cutting afterlife of her roommate. Twenty-year-old Amanda Marie Knox from Seattle says she begin the blood-soaked anatomy of her 21-year-old roommate, Meredith Kercher, Friday morning. Kercher was fatally stabbed in the abutting possibly afterwards actuality sexually assaulted in some array of afflicted sex orgy.

NBC‘s Jim Maceda joins us from London with details.

JIM MACEDA, NBC NEWS, LONDON: Hi, Dan. Well, this aphotic case is now affective fast and bent to the point area Italian badge say the analysis is closed, alike admitting added analytic of the three capital suspects will abide tomorrow.

There is already reportedly a abundance of argumentative affirmation out there, abnormally begin in the abode area British apprentice Meredith Kercher was killed. Now this includes claret and added actual substances, allegedly beard and semen, as able-bodied as fingerprints throughout that house. There is additionally two corpuscle phones that were begin acceptance to the victim begin in the house‘s backyard.

The Italian badge acquire traced admission and approachable calls. It‘s accustomed them to move actual bound in alone three or four canicule to abutting in on those suspects and to draft advanced accessible the account of the American roommate, Amanda Knox. She had said that she was, indeed, in the abode on that night of aftermost Thursday, anticipation that Miss Kercher was accepting a loud bacchanal of some array with two men in an adjoining allowance including Amanda‘s own Italian admirer but bankrupt her ears, she said, and didn‘t anticipate any added of it.

Well, Knox allegedly burst beneath the burden of continuing adamant badge interrogation. And Miss Kercher‘s acquaintance is a key doubtable in a actual camp annihilation case that absolutely has abashed the university boondocks of Perugia in axial Italy. Dan, aback to you.

ABRAMS: All right. Thanks, Jim. Actuality now is above FBI profiler and MSNBC analyst Clint Van Zandt and Vikki Ziegler. Acknowledgment a lot. All right. Clint, let‘s get into some of the facts here.

CLINT VAN ZANDT, FORMER FBI PROFILER: Sure.

ABRAMS: So initially, the girl, this account apprentice comes advanced and says, “I apparent the anatomy at the house. I see blood. I afresh alarm the police.” And afresh she changes her story, right?

VAN ZANDT: Yes. She has afflicted her adventure two or three times, Dan. But the antecedent affair is she puts herself at the abomination scene. She was there. She knows somebody was there with the victim. She heard agreeable and afresh she does a no-no-no and puts her easily over her aerial so she doesn‘t acquire to accept to a homicide.

ABRAMS: And Vikki, that‘s consistently trouble, is it not, for a abeyant defendant, for a abeyant doubtable aback they say, “Oh, yes, I acquire afflicted my story. And I remember, yes, I was in the house. But afresh I forgot what happened afterwards that.”

VIKKI ZIEGLER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: One hundred percent. We don‘t apperceive who‘s apery her, if she has an advocate in Italy. Absolutely, conspiracy. I mean, these are austere issues. These bodies acquire some austere problems ahead, so their alibis are alteration and we don‘t apperceive if they are recorded or not. So we don‘t apperceive if there are accounting statements.

ABRAMS: Well, there are. I mean, Clint, what is absorbing is that we absolutely acquire the statements from the assorted assemblage in this case, the Italian authorities already absolution them. And it is bright that she gives capricious accounts of what happens.

VAN ZANDT: Sure. She does and her two boyfriends. You know, initially, she says her 23-year-old admirer is there. Afresh she says he is not. The admirer says no, I‘m not there. And the cops say well, absorbing because we begin your blood-soaked brand appropriate abutting to the victim.

So, you know, Dan, this is activity to be a case, I think, where, you know, somebody is activity to be offered a deal. Somebody stabbed the victim to death. Somebody may acquire captivated her down. Somebody may acquire facilitated it. Somebody is activity to get a deal. Two bodies are activity to go abroad for a connected time.

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ABRAMS: Vikki, why do you anticipate they are assertive that this was allotment of some array of orgy? Is it because they begin the affirmation of animal assault?

ZIEGLER: One hundred percent. I anticipate they said that she was arresting herself. She was bisected naked aback she was found. And there was loud noises. There was a accumulation of - a army of men in her room, and that‘s absolutely the allegations.

ABRAMS: All right. Here‘s from the statement, all right? Remember, there are two guys there. One of them was her boyfriend. And there was this added guy. And in her statement, she basically is now adage that one of the guys capital this woman who is now dead, that the two of them went into her room.

“Well I anticipate I backward in the kitchen. I can‘t bethink how connected they were in the bedchamber together. I can alone say at a assertive point I heard Meredith screaming, and I was so abashed I put my fingers in my ears. I don‘t bethink annihilation afterwards that. My arch is absolutely confused. I don‘t bethink if Meredith alleged out or if I heard thuds because I was upset. But I can‘t brainstorm what was happening.”

She claimed she had a lot to alcohol and had collapsed asleep. She added whether she didn‘t apperceive if her admirer was there that evening. I mean, this is a big problem, Clint. Aback you are basically adage in a account to the authorities, and, again, let‘s acquire for a moment that the account from the Italian authorities is accurate. I‘m abiding she is activity to claiming it at some point. But aback you are saying, “I was so abashed I put my fingers in my ears. I don‘t bethink annihilation afterwards that, my arch is absolutely confused,” that is not a decidedly accessible statement.

VAN ZANDT: No, what‘s not accessible too, I think, she is starting to anatomy up a abeyant aegis “I was drunk. We were smoker marijuana. The devil fabricated me do it.” You know, she is a 20-year-old woman. She got bent up in article that‘s way over her head.

But, Dan, this wasn‘t alike aloof a cut your throat as abhorrent as it is. This woman‘s anatomy was bruised. She had assorted ache wounds. It appears that one or added bodies captivated her bottomward and connected to try to force her to participate in this orgy. And she fought them off appropriate to the end.

ABRAMS: Absolute quick, as a acknowledged matter, she‘s got no protection. She is not accompaniment department. She is activity to be approved beneath Italian law.

ZIEGLER: One hundred percent. This babe is in austere trouble. The argumentative - already they arise all the affirmation adjoin her, she could be activity bottomward unless she is activity to about-face covering and acquaint listen, “This is absolutely what happened.”

ABRAMS: And actuality an American aborigine doesn‘t accomplish a aberration aback you are in Italy unless you are alive for the government.

ZIEGLER: The abomination was committed in Italy. It doesn‘t matter. One hundred percent approved in Italy.

ABRAMS: She‘s actuality captivated tomorrow morning. There is a hearing.

ZIEGLER: Yes.

ABRAMS: The adjudicator is activity to actuate if there is abundant affirmation to abide to authority her to trial.

ZIEGLER: Absolutely, and Italian law is actual altered than in the United States. They can accumulate her and apprehend her until the balloon if they acquire she is a suspect.

ABRAMS: And let‘s be clear. She has not been answerable yet. She‘s aloof actuality bedfast at this time. And afresh the authorities are activity to amount out - the adjudicator is activity to adjudge tomorrow if there is abundant affirmation to authority her. All right. Clint Van Zandt and Vikki Ziegler, acknowledgment a lot.

ZIEGLER: Thank you.

VAN ZANDT: Thanks, Dan.

ABRAMS: Up abutting in “Winners and Losers,” appealing poodles, primped and able afterwards accepting a ablution in a new automated dog-washing machine. Hulk Hogan‘s son adverse bent accuse afterwards active his car into a tree. And the artisan already afresh accepted as Prince aggressive to sue his own fan web sites for application his image.

French poodles, abject to the cleaners, the son of a big-time wrestler bankrupt annoyance racing, or a accompanist who looks like he dresses in annoyance aggressive to sue his better fans? Which will be tonight‘s big champ or loser?

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ABRAMS: It‘s time for tonight‘s “Winners and Losers” for the 7th day of November, 2007. Our aboriginal winners, primped and able french pooches accepting bankrupt in the dog-washing machine. These bathing bow wows testing out a new dog washer which douses and dries them in beneath four minutes. The sometimes afraid pooches are abject in, alike the hulks, afresh subjected to aggregate but the spin.

Our aboriginal loser? Hulk Hogan‘s son who got arrested afterwards demography a spin. The 17-year-old affronted himself in to the cops today afterwards allegedly artery antagonism his auto appropriate into a tree.

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HULK HOGAN, WRESTLER: That‘s adjoin the law.

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ABRAMS: The hulkster beneficiary now adverse adventuresome active and DUI charges.

The blast larboard one of his pals actively injured.

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HOGAN: What are you activity to do, big, stinky, awful Todd, aback the better accoutrements in the apple abort you?

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ABRAMS: Our additional loser? A 17-year-old aerial academy football amateur who pulled a knife on the field. The doubtable slasher cut the duke of an adversary as the teams lined up to agitate easily at the end of the game.

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UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: All right. Let‘s breach someone‘s clavicle on three.

One, two, three, breach someone‘s clavicle. That‘s a deal. Let‘s go.

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ABRAMS: The blade-wielding bozo was booted off the team, and now answerable with advance with a column bold duke slash.

Our additional winner? An Ohio abundance agent who abhorred accepting bargain at the easily of an armed robber. The knife-brandishing brigand barged into the abundance and headed appropriate for the register. But the quick-thinking agent affective a allotment of aluminum and readied for the rumble. The afraid cheat took off and the agent alleged the cops.

But the big winners of the day? Dark cops in Belgium who are seeing their abilities put to acceptable use to apprehension bad guys. The lawmen now transcribing and allegory wiretaps.

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UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: What about guns? Aback do we get guns?

ABRAMS: The dark cops can alike backpack accoutrements and accomplish arrests, abundant of the aforementioned assignment as their sighted colleagues maybe afar from analogous fingerprints.

The big also-ran of the day? Accompanist Prince, now pointing the feel at his own fans, aggressive to sue bags for illegally application his angel and music. The artist, aforetime accepted as accepting a fan base, is reportedly targeting his three better fan web sites, ambitious they booty bottomward all photos, images, and lyrics accompanying to the bedrock diva.

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ABRAMS: Actuality now, actor and analyst Chuck Nice, from VH1‘s “Best

Week Ever.” Chuck -

CHUCK NICE, COMEDIAN, “BEST WEEK EVER”: Hey, Dan.

ABRAMS: What is Prince doing?

NICE: Oh, Prince is - You know, what? Prince knows what best celebrities don‘t know, absolute stars don‘t charge fans. That‘s how big prince is. “I‘m a absolute star. I don‘t alike charge you.”

ABRAMS: Now, he has three big fan sites.

NICE: Right, yes.

ABRAMS: You accept surprised.

NICE: I am surprised. I‘m afraid he has three fans, period, and he allegedly will not afterwards this accomplished fiasco. I can acquire area Prince is advancing from aback you anticipate about it. It‘s like, you know, are you absolutely my fan? Seriously, area is the absolute worship? Where‘s the deification? Area is the animal sacrifice?

ABRAMS: But is this - I mean, is this guy aloof a whacko? This is a guy who was called Prince and afresh he said, “You apperceive what? I‘m activity to be the ‘Artist Aforetime Accepted as Prince,‘ and now I‘m activity to be Prince again.”

NICE: Well, maybe that‘s what the admirers should acquire done. They should acquire called their web sites amphitheater line, squiggly line, arrow pointing bottomward guy fan web site.

ABRAMS: All right. So here‘s - one of the admirers said, “Such a actual sad day. I can‘t alike accept to his music appropriate now. He will accretion ascendancy but the Princedom will be a bit abate with all of us gone.” From Moon Songs.

NICE: Oh my god. If prince got any smaller, he would disappear.

ABRAMS: Is addition giving him acknowledged admonition here? I bet - what do you anticipate happened here? I bet he allegedly saw article he didn‘t like on a fan armpit and he said, “You apperceive what? I don‘t appetite annihilation to do with that.” Because there‘s no way these fan sites are activity to alpha advantageous for that.

NICE: Of advance not. I beggarly maybe Prince‘s botheration is the fans, the sites are not admiring him enough. That‘s what he should be suing for. It‘s like, “You don‘t adulation me as abundant as I charge you to adulation me.”

ABRAMS: Do we acquire that Britney fan site? Because bethink the guy who was like screaming, Britney! Britney! I beggarly I don‘t see any bodies out there adage that about Prince.

NICE: No. Well, that‘s because bodies are arrant for Prince, not about prince. You apperceive what I mean. That‘s the deal. I don‘t apperceive what his botheration is. I beggarly I can‘t acquire that Prince, as big as he is, aloof sitting about ecology web sites. What is he doing? Aloof sitting there?

ABRAMS: How abundant time do you absorb on the Chuck Nice sites?

NICE: You apperceive what? All of them are beneath construction. Every one of my sites is beneath construction. That‘s so abundant I affliction about Chuck Nice.

ABRAMS: He needs a guy like this. This is the guy, the Britney fan.

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CHRIS CROCKER, BRITNEY SPEARS‘ FAN: You bodies affliction about readers and

making money off of her. She‘s a human! What you don‘t apprehend is that

Britney‘s authoritative you all this money, and all due is address a agglomeration of -

NICE: I anticipate he absolutely heard her sing.

ABRAMS: Chuck Nice, acceptable to see you. Acknowledgment a lot.

NICE: What aloof happened there?

ABRAMS: That‘s all the time we acquire for tonight. Stay acquainted for “THE MIND OF MANSON.” See you tomorrow.

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